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Old 18 Apr 2017, 02:54 (Ref:3727453)   #91
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It is possible for any engine to blow up... the Benz on the front straight as a case in point, is there a plan to set age limits for cars eligible for this event in the future?
Surely you are not equating the age of a car with it's propensity for an engine failure.
Any entrant in an endurance event like this would surely ensure that their engine is in tip top condition and thoroughly serviced or rebuilt prior.
Looking down the results, car 21 (Toyota Camry) must surely be one of the oldest cars in the field, ran faultlessly and finished 36th ahead of many newer and more fancied cars.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 03:02 (Ref:3727456)   #92
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I see on MY105 there is a used Mercedes A45 for sale for $200,000. Set up for prod car racing.

Isn't this getting a little ridiculous?
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 03:17 (Ref:3727458)   #93
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Surely you are not equating the age of a car with it's propensity for an engine failure.
Any entrant in an endurance event like this would surely ensure that their engine is in tip top condition and thoroughly serviced or rebuilt prior.
Looking down the results, car 21 (Toyota Camry) must surely be one of the oldest cars in the field, ran faultlessly and finished 36th ahead of many newer and more fancied cars.
That car, I believe, has been racing since the late '90/early '00s. The Kirkham Mazda would have a similarly-full log-book.

Having said that, there's already some chatter that there may be an age limit imposed for future events. Could be a good thing, as far as raising the image of Production Car racing in Aus (and lets face it, it needs all the help it can get), but I do empathise with those who are likely to be ousted from the catagory under such circumstances.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 03:23 (Ref:3727459)   #94
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I see on MY105 there is a used Mercedes A45 for sale for $200,000. Set up for prod car racing.

Isn't this getting a little ridiculous?
Iain Sherrin mentioned in the stream mid-race, that they had spent the purchase price of the red rocket +$150K on top to get it on the grid. Unless I miss-heard, that is quite outrageous.

I haven't looked over the ruleset, but I am curious as to what freedoms are allowed these days. I do recall that back when the abovementioned Camry and MX6 first hit the track, what was allowed beyond how it left the showroom floor, was very minimal.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 03:27 (Ref:3727460)   #95
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Mr Sherrin was on the stream suggesting the base M4 cost ~$150k, and that their team had spent as much again race preparing the car. Add some spares and wheels and stuff, and that's a metric shedload of dollars!
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 03:57 (Ref:3727461)   #96
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This article just popped up on Speedcafe.

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Officials to analyse grid sizes for 2018 Bathurst 6H

Bathurst 6 Hour event director James O’Brien will investigate the possibility of lowering the amount of entries for next year’s Mount Panorama production car enduro.

O’Brien’s comments come after a race which was dominated by the Safety Car, which was on track for almost half of the 6-Hour battle.

During the course of the day, the safety car headed the field for 33 laps, eight more than Chaz Mostert and Nathan Morcom who finished in second place, and nine more than race winners Paul Morris and Luke Searle.

A total of 64 cars took the green flag, a new record for endurance racing at Mount Panorama, and according to O’Brien a record that could stand for some time.

“I want to sit down and analyse the race,” O’Brien told Speedcafe.com.

“The amount of safety cars was a little bit excessive; (there was) too much time under yellow and how much of that backs into the size of the field.”

“We might have a close look at what we want to cap the field at.

“Even though 72 cars is the official capacity, and we’ll safety run 72 cars, but I don’t think I’d want to see that after the amount of safety cars.

“Objectively I think we don’t want any more cars than we had, perhaps even less.

“We have an invitational class which has a number of cars which aren’t strictly production cars, and we did that in the early years as we’re chasing entries.

“We’ll closely look at that and see whether that fits in with where we’re going with the production category.”

Attendance for this year’s event was up on the inaugural race in 2016, with 17,487 fans watching on across the three days.

Though yet to be confirmed, it’s also understood there was also a sharp increase in viewers of the live stream, which last year recorded over 60,000 views.

“I think we’ll keep building the event in terms of the quality of the field and the cars and the drivers are raising the professionalism,” O’Brien said when asked about the future of the event.

“It’s still a grass roots, amateur sort of race, but we’ll just be careful of our stewardship of the event and keep it attainable for everyone, but also raise the standard of it.

“I like to look at it strategically in terms of the other endurance races at the Mountain to make sure none of us are competing against each other or cannibalising each other.

“I think it fits within the other two, as sort of the little brother of the three,” he concluded.
I think for the moment it would be a good idea to get rid of the invitational class. There's no real reason to have them there to bolster the grid when there's already 50+ cars in the race.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 04:27 (Ref:3727464)   #97
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Three types of car that were in the Invitational class, have their own respective series anyway. Saloon Cars, Pulsars, and Excels.

If they wanted to race at Bathurst going forward, then they need to lobby their catagory management and get on the undercard. Not to mention, that there will be no shortage of rent-a-drives in the 6hr anyway.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 05:42 (Ref:3727469)   #98
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That car, I believe, has been racing since the late '90/early '00s.
I assume it's the same Camry that raced in the last Bathurst 1000 in 1998, driven by David Ratcliff and Ron Searle.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 05:51 (Ref:3727471)   #99
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Could be. There was a red one at a later stage, too.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 07:46 (Ref:3727487)   #100
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Yet three of the Safety Car periods were for front running cars.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 08:05 (Ref:3727493)   #101
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Couple of thoughts:
Could you run two safetycars at Bathurst like Le Mans with te second taking off from pit exit when the first was at Reid Park?
Hard on those who run them but the invitational class is probably not required any more.
Bathurst has a tradition of recovering cars back to the pits or Park ferme. How much safety car time would be saved if recovery was only to the nearest safe parking spot?
Wasn't there but it seems that the original Bathurst 500 has risen again.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 08:20 (Ref:3727496)   #102
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Ah this has a familiar ring to it.
The old Bathurst 500/1000, had the same grids
64 entry's in 69
gradually whittled down over the years

Could it be the 6 will go the same as the 12 and the 1000?

Open to professional cars / teams only?

Or does Mr O'brien , and Bathurst Council allow another race that allows Motorsport enthusiast the opportunity to race on the mount?
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 09:11 (Ref:3727506)   #103
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I assume it's the same Camry that raced in the last Bathurst 1000 in 1998, driven by David Ratcliff and Ron Searle.
The same one, resprayed red after David sold it and raced successfully in the Procar series retired for many years and recently resurrected.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3727509)   #104
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Could you run two safetycars at Bathurst like Le Mans with te second taking off from pit exit when the first was at Reid Park?
They ran two safety cars in the 1990 Bathurst 1000.... everyone complained though when someone (was it Neidzweidz?) got a half lap lead thanks to being just in front of one of the pace cars when it came out, so 2nd place got caught behind it, and the leader could accelerate away and pick up the queue behind the other pace car...... yet no one complains when Whincup loses a 30sec lead due to a pace car in 2016.

The spot where the second pace car parked is still there up the top.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 11:50 (Ref:3727538)   #105
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I haven't looked over the ruleset, but I am curious as to what freedoms are allowed these days. I do recall that back when the abovementioned Camry and MX6 first hit the track, what was allowed beyond how it left the showroom floor, was very minimal.
The modifications allowed are still very minimal:
  • Engine must be standard or rebuilt to as-standard specification (i.e., no increase of bore nor stroke, no lighter conrods, no lighter pistons, no porting, no hot cams)
  • Header and turbo must be as standard (exhaust from header-back or turbo-back (if fitted) is free) -- if the OEM catalytic converter is built in to the OEM header, it may be "de-cored"
  • Free choice of coilover suspension unit
  • Suspension geometry must be as standard (bushings can be replaced, suspension arms can be replaced with aftermarket parts of equivalent geometry to standard)
  • Drive by wire may be replaced by a cable throttle
  • ECU and engine mapping is free -- Good for turbo cars
  • Throttle body and intake must be standard
  • Brakes are free but number of pistons can only be incrased to maximum 4 front or 2 rear (unless car comes with standard with up to 6 pistons front and rear, when the number of pistons of the racing brake caliper may match the OE brake caliper)
  • Radiator width and height must match OE radiator, however thickness is free

That's pretty much it. They are fundamentally a standard vehicle prepared for circuit use. Air con may be removed, and all the safety equipment and fuel cell must be added of course.

http://bathurst6hour.com.au/sites/de...-3E-2017-1.pdf

Having read the Hyundai Excel series regulations, the modifications allowed there are very similar, and the Excels should be eligible regardless of being invited. Toyota 86 Series cars however would NOT be eligible as those cars run an aftermarket header.
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