Positive Vibes from Red Bull

Flatspot · 27 Sep 2002, 04:16 (Ref:389452)

An encouraging sign from Red Bull.

http://www.cart.com/news/article.asp?id=4764

Anyone know where to get the full list.

Lee Janotta · 27 Sep 2002, 05:19 (Ref:389496)

Here ya go, all 16. Pretty good choices, none I can really argue with.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns07116.html

Flatspot · 27 Sep 2002, 05:33 (Ref:389504)

Thanks Lee. I just came back from your post on the F1 Forum where I saw your other post.

Sorry but I just can't resist asking how Invisible you must be when your not even seen in a series that has direct team sponsorship?

Lee Janotta · 27 Sep 2002, 05:37 (Ref:389506)

Sorry, it's probably just the fact that I'm nearly asleep (I've got to stop posting at 1:30 in the morning), but could you specify just what you're referring to with the "invisible" question? I'm just rather dense at the moment.

Liz · 27 Sep 2002, 11:00 (Ref:389667)

Good to see that they are mostly our guys too. Well done the bunch of you!

macdaddy · 27 Sep 2002, 17:04 (Ref:389994)

Feel stupid asking this, but here goes...

What exactly is Red Bull doing here, anyway? Are they throwing sponsorship money at these guys and their teams? Or are they forming new teams to run these guys? Will the drivers be changing formulae?

You see, I'm ignorant. That much is obvious.

Russfeld · 27 Sep 2002, 17:30 (Ref:390017)

They're going to try to put them in top teams, or at the very least existing Red Bull teams.

CleanTone · 27 Sep 2002, 19:27 (Ref:390107)

My opinion is that Buddy Rice should have been in there. However he is 26.

Russfeld · 27 Sep 2002, 19:37 (Ref:390112)

Why? He's allready in the IRL so he's not really a candidate for the program, and to be perfectly honest isnt that good.

CleanTone · 27 Sep 2002, 20:11 (Ref:390138)

My impression is that he blew the field in his first races. Plus he already was linked with Red Bull(Hmm... maybe they know something)

Tiresmoke · 27 Sep 2002, 20:16 (Ref:390142)

This is a Red Bull effort to bring these 16 drivers along and put them into formulas that will suit their needs for growth. This does not mean that each will be driving a solely Red Bull sponsored car. I highly doubt Cheever's IRL team will have anything to do with these chosen drivers.

I'm curious to see where Paul Edwards goes.

Russfeld · 27 Sep 2002, 20:26 (Ref:390150)

if they arent fully funded by red bull it will be the same half assed effort the program was supposedly created to end. Giving the guy half the funds for a season of Formula Renault will give him *gasp* half a season, and in the end nothing to show for it.

If they want anything put Edwards and Giebler at ADR with full red bull backing and see if they walk F3. Winning team, full budget, full chance. Id have put Allmendinger in one of the strong National Formula Renault series or even European Super Renault but since he's gone to Atlantics id stick with Giebler and Edwards and not even pick a 3rd and 4th driver because basically no one on that list is ready for Europe and it'd just be a waste of time and money.

I get the impression they're trying to find a guy to ram through the syystem instead of just giving guys chances to see if tehy can do it.

f1manoz · 28 Sep 2002, 02:31 (Ref:390315)

My main question is:

How much bloody money does Red Bull have???:confused:

They are in F1 with Arrows and Sauber, they are in MotoGP with Yamaha WCM and are in IRL with Cheever. Now they have this program and are likely to sponsor a CART team if plans come to fruition.

I didn't know their drinks were THAT popular for them to afford all this.

Jay · 28 Sep 2002, 02:39 (Ref:390318)

Seriously...for a company that produces a drink that supposedly tastes like **** they sure have a lot of cash to throw around.

Russfeld · 28 Sep 2002, 02:39 (Ref:390319)

Red Bull doesnt have a lot of expenses. Their costs are bottling and advertising. They spend money on sponsorships and those really cheesey cartoon commercials which cant cost too much.

Arrows Sauber is maybe 10-20mil a year. Cheever cant have been more than 10. WCM is maybe 10. There's maybe another 5 in their sponsorship of various junior drivers.

In 2000 they did 1.2bil which was 119% increase in sales from 99

greg.n · 28 Sep 2002, 05:09 (Ref:390366)

Red Bull will pick 4 of the 16 and fund a European season for them. If they do well they'll get another bite of the cherry next year along with another 4 and so on.

Lee Janotta · 28 Sep 2002, 13:56 (Ref:390533)

Yeah... Hopefully a couple who just _barely_ miss the cut of the top four will get CART rides. Too much talent there to just let them all go back to being unsupported (which many of them are).

Lee Janotta · 28 Sep 2002, 20:41 (Ref:390699)

Well, the driver search already lost one of it's top prospects. A.J. Allmendinger has chosen to go to Atlantics for 2003. I'd expect we'll see him in CART in '04, and then a push to for an F1 seat after that.

Could Red Bull still maintain interest enough in him to bring sponsorship money into CART and the ladder system?

greg.n · 28 Sep 2002, 21:05 (Ref:390719)

I would rate Allmendinger as THE top prospect of the 16, Sellers and scott Speed a close second.

Russfeld · 28 Sep 2002, 22:27 (Ref:390771)

ill wait till he goes abroad first, i havent yet seen AJ go up against a strong field, while Edwards and Giebler have raced against nothing but

Jay · 29 Sep 2002, 00:20 (Ref:390814)

I wouldn't say Barber Dodge wasn't a strong field. It's a beginner series though, and not always a good indicator. Also, those cars handle like buses compared to F3 or Atlantic cars (according to Ryan Hunter-Reay). Some guys, like Hunter-Reay have little success in Barber Dodge but more success in Atlantic. Then again, some have done well in Barber Dodge and bombed in Atlantic... so it's a big wait and see.

Lee Janotta · 29 Sep 2002, 00:36 (Ref:390822)

Barber-Dodge is the US equivalent to Formula Renault, Formula Opel, FF2000, or Formula BMW. Basically the first series with spoilers drivers get into in the "official" ladder model. You _can_ jump straight to F1... If you're Kimi Raikkonen. Otherwise you need to do one more series... F3 or F3000... Which over here means Atlantics or CART.

I think it's a bit of a shame for him to do Atlantics, though. I think he's got the talent to jump straight into the Champcars.

Jay · 29 Sep 2002, 00:47 (Ref:390823)

I wouldn't be so sure, wait and see how he does in Atlantic before making that jump. The cars in those two series are very different and don't always suit each pilot.

Also, another thing a lot of people don't consider is that the Barber Dodge series is a real learners series, and the officials 'Hold the hands' of the drivers and give them all the help they need to make sure they have an equal footing. The drivers will get none of this help in Atlantics and will have to deal with their team. Barber Dodge runs more like a racing school series, where as Atlantics is more like Champcars. It's quite a difference really, and it can catch some pilots out.

kmchow · 29 Sep 2002, 23:36 (Ref:391601)

How much does Red Bull make in terms of profit? How can afford to sponsor so many teams and series?? It's almost like they had no costs at all? Either that or the company is basically losing money every year due to their high advertising costs??

Russfeld · 29 Sep 2002, 23:54 (Ref:391614)

They have about 1.5bil in sales and their only expenses are bottling and advertising. They go advertising by sponsoring racing and other extreme sports and those really cheap cartoon commercials

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