IMSA IMSA : 2019 - Page 40

gert · 7 Jan 2019, 20:29 (Ref:3874567)

Endurance-Info reports that Philippe Dumas has left/was booted from (?) Ligier Automotive (former Onroak).
He was as far as I know the man running the Ligier-business in IMSA, and effectively running the ESM-car.

Did he (have to) go because CORE just don't need him, or will it be a blow to their programme as well?

Coach Ep · 7 Jan 2019, 23:28 (Ref:3874592)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

$1.3m USD converts to near enough £1m. That seems amazingly cheap. Actually, seems cheap for IMSA too. That's a good chunk less than any number I've seen before.

Maybe you can run ELMS for that, but as Coach Ep says, you won't do well. Not when you have teams like G-Drive, Signatech, SMP, TDS hanging around.

I understand they don't want to pay a lot of money to race on their own, but I'm not sure ELMS is the answer. More customer DPis is the real answer, but they don't seem to be coming.

Especially since they already paid the entry fee for the P2 full season (8 races) so jumping ship to the ELMS at this stage wouldn't fly if you're looking to get more buck for your money. Unless their funding drivers have too much funds they need to get rid off.

It sounds more like trying to put some pressure on IMSA to have them actively try to acquire a few new entrants for the class (with ANSA's victory in the P3 enduro at Daytona this weekend I wouldn't be surprised to see them stepping up to do a few races in the 2nd half of the season, probably helped by a generous incentive from IMSA. Dragonspeed could be another prospect).

Steve McQ · 8 Jan 2019, 20:04 (Ref:3874796)

Dumas was released besause Ligier/OnrOAK shut down its racing operations called OAK Racing to focus on proper customer support for guys like CORE, United or Panis-Barthez.

Do you know if LMP2s currently running in IMSA are fully WEC compliant or is the BoP different to slow them enough and put them well behind DPis ?

canaglia · 8 Jan 2019, 20:16 (Ref:3874797)

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Originally Posted by Steve McQ

Dumas was released besause Ligier/OnrOAK shut down its racing operations called OAK Racing to focus on proper customer support for guys like CORE, United or Panis-Barthez.

Do you know if LMP2s currently running in IMSA are fully WEC compliant or is the BoP different to slow them enough and put them well behind DPis ?

Actually not; ACO lmp2 min. weight is 930kg and gibson engine is basically unrestricted. At daytona ACO lmp2 must to use a mix of LD/HD setting according to IMSA bop

FormulaFox · 8 Jan 2019, 20:34 (Ref:3874802)

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Originally Posted by Steve McQ

Do you know if LMP2s currently running in IMSA are fully WEC compliant

Technically yes.

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Originally Posted by canaglia

Actually not; ACO lmp2 min. weight is 930kg and gibson engine is basically unrestricted. At daytona ACO lmp2 must to use a mix of LD/HD setting according to IMSA bop

This is why it's only "technically" yes. It would be a very minor chore to convert the cars to full WEC spec -I would be surprised if it took a team more than 30 minutes- but they are not technically "full WEC compliant" while in IMSA specs.

At the end of the day, however, the IMSA LMP2s are still working with all the same things as the WEC cars, save for the air restrictor, IMSA just mandates how they can set up certain elements. An LMP2 in IMSA trim would pass inspection for WEC, but it wouldn't be running competitive lap times.

Akrapovic · 8 Jan 2019, 20:45 (Ref:3874805)

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Originally Posted by Steve McQ

Do you know if LMP2s currently running in IMSA are fully WEC compliant or is the BoP different to slow them enough and put them well behind DPis ?

They are not in WEC spec.

canaglia · 8 Jan 2019, 20:49 (Ref:3874807)

well, in this case ACO lmp2 are basically in ACO specs everywhere....

Gibson engine in IMSA doesn't use air rectriction but revlimit is set to 8250rpm, while in ACO revs to about 9000rpm.

It doesn't exist a WEC lmp2 bop sheet, but according to IMSA roar bop each lmp2 should use mainly HDF parts and mandatory setting for rear wing.
Need to use le mans gearbox ratios too.

Michelin tyres surely have same size of dunlop but for sure are required different geometries.

Akrapovic · 8 Jan 2019, 21:09 (Ref:3874811)

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Originally Posted by canaglia

well, in this case ACO lmp2 are basically in ACO specs everywhere....

Gibson engine in IMSA doesn't use air rectriction but revlimit is set to 8250rpm, while in ACO revs to about 9000rpm.

It doesn't exist a WEC lmp2 bop sheet, but according to IMSA roar bop each lmp2 should use mainly HDF parts and mandatory setting for rear wing.
Need to use le mans gearbox ratios too.

Michelin tyres surely have same size of dunlop but for sure are required different geometries.

There are Michelin LMP2 tyres on some European LMP2s. I suspect it's the same tyres IMSA is getting now.

FormulaFox · 8 Jan 2019, 21:57 (Ref:3874819)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

There are Michelin LMP2 tyres on some European LMP2s. I suspect it's the same tyres IMSA is getting now.

Not yet in all likelihood - Daytona is probably better served by a unique tire design.

**joeb** · 9 Jan 2019, 01:11 (Ref:3874848)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

There are Michelin LMP2 tyres on some European LMP2s. I suspect it's the same tyres IMSA is getting now.

Michelin claims the round things to be an IMSA specific tire. Not sure how different that is though.

https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/i...e-allocations/

"*cars will run on identical semi-confidential tires throughout the season, alternating between IMSA-specific medium and hard compounds."

Coach Ep · 9 Jan 2019, 02:34 (Ref:3874859)

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Originally Posted by Steve McQ

Do you know if LMP2s currently running in IMSA are fully WEC compliant or is the BoP different to slow them enough and put them well behind DPis ?

Ben Hanley gives you the answer:

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DragonSpeed driver Ben Hanley explained to DSC that the team’s #81 ORECA 07 Gibson was delayed getting out on track on Day 1 due to the team having to work on the car’s electrical systems to make it compliant for IMSA competition.

“It’s all going fine now for us. The car has run fine, we’ve got plenty of time before the race starts. We didn’t rush anything yesterday. We had to change the electronics in the cars to comply with IMSA. If you start rushing stuff like that then you have issues and it ends up taking up more time."

from http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...sfjsue4JG_SQ8k

Amazing what a little digging and reading stuff can do!

**joeb** · 9 Jan 2019, 03:00 (Ref:3874863)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Ben Hanley gives you the answer:

from http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...sfjsue4JG_SQ8k

Amazing what a little digging and reading stuff can do!

Yes, but they didn't say what electronics were changed? Was it just the data logging system IMSA uses? Stuff to make the leader light system work?

Coach Ep · 9 Jan 2019, 03:19 (Ref:3874868)

Not a clue, I would like to know myself as well! However, car #81 (the one Hanley was talking about) didn't go out at all in the first session on Friday implying the 'conversion' was more than just "flipping a switch".

canaglia · 9 Jan 2019, 08:33 (Ref:3874904)

all ACO lmp2 use mandatory spec cosworth electronics; it's really unlikely IMSA requests lmp2 teams to change the whole electronics systems.
Surely it's just IMSA mandatory datalogger to be installed

MaskedRacer · 9 Jan 2019, 13:43 (Ref:3874946)

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Originally Posted by canaglia

all ACO lmp2 use mandatory spec cosworth electronics; it's really unlikely IMSA requests lmp2 teams to change the whole electronics systems.
Surely it's just IMSA mandatory datalogger to be installed

No joke, I believe this actually. Problem is the LMP2 Dallara is bit of from Oreca. If you can get a customer friendly DPI based Oreca manufacturer in there because obviously Acura is not that. Then DPI could shoot up to 20 cars or more. Because lots of teams have Oreca 07s that could be modified to that theoretical car.

MaskedRacer · 9 Jan 2019, 13:47 (Ref:3874948)

Am I the only one who does NOT like the all white Ford? I got used to their blue look plus we have enough white between BMW and Porsche already. They make their trims look good though. Hope Ford goes back to what they had before or at least go with all blue since no other GTLM does this.

canaglia · 9 Jan 2019, 14:01 (Ref:3874950)

Don't think ford will keep that white livery for daytona.
Anyway each manufacturer has its own policy and short-mid-long terms strategy. GM believes that competitive private teams are enough to promote the brand; mazda and HPD maybe didn't and still don't consider that a private team effort option would give benefits.... some others likely don't even know there are cars running under their flag lol (nissan).

Just think about Zak brown, he owns mclaren and united autosport as well.... he just has to get up from chair, make a couple of phone calls to onroak and could get a ligier-mclaren dpi (powered by 4L V8) anytime. It would be a good way to promote 720s, 540c, senna in US market regardless of racing results.

Despite this, nothing happens.... apparently isn't worth it

**joeb** · 9 Jan 2019, 14:22 (Ref:3874955)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

Am I the only one who does NOT like the all white Ford? I got used to their blue look plus we have enough white between BMW and Porsche already. They make their trims look good though. Hope Ford goes back to what they had before or at least go with all blue since no other GTLM does this.

I think the car looks great in white! But yes it will have a different scheme come race time.

tjh8402 · 9 Jan 2019, 21:03 (Ref:3875053)

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Originally Posted by canaglia

Don't think ford will keep that white livery for daytona.
Anyway each manufacturer has its own policy and short-mid-long terms strategy. GM believes that competitive private teams are enough to promote the brand; mazda and HPD maybe didn't and still don't consider that a private team effort option would give benefits.... some others likely don't even know there are cars running under their flag lol (nissan).

Just think about Zak brown, he owns mclaren and united autosport as well.... he just has to get up from chair, make a couple of phone calls to onroak and could get a ligier-mclaren dpi (powered by 4L V8) anytime. It would be a good way to promote 720s, 540c, senna in US market regardless of racing results.

Despite this, nothing happens.... apparently isn't worth it

McLaren’s issue is not just paying the cost of the aero kit and engine integration, it’s the cost of the manufacturers entry fee. That’s why the 720 is finally coming to IMSA but only doing the Sprint Cup for now: the reduced manufacturer fee.

canaglia · 9 Jan 2019, 21:14 (Ref:3875057)

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Originally Posted by tjh8402

McLaren’s issue is not just paying the cost of the aero kit and engine integration, it’s the cost of the manufacturers entry fee. That’s why the 720 is finally coming to IMSA but only doing the Sprint Cup for now: the reduced manufacturer fee.

how much manufacturer fee?
anyway don't think mclaren is so out of cash to get scared by an entry fee.... it's basically they are not interested in IMSA.

rich07 · 9 Jan 2019, 23:12 (Ref:3875082)

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Originally Posted by canaglia

how much manufacturer fee?
anyway don't think mclaren is so out of cash to get scared by an entry fee.... it's basically they are not interested in IMSA.

Maybe they look at the manufacturer fee and think it’s too much as opposed to return on investment. Glad to see them in the sprint cup. Wasn’t Ben Keating paying Dodge’s fee just before he switched to AMG?

ATLFalconsFAN · 10 Jan 2019, 00:06 (Ref:3875089)

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Originally Posted by rich07

Wasn’t Ben Keating paying Dodge’s fee just before he switched to AMG?

That was my understanding.

Bcarr6 · 10 Jan 2019, 11:07 (Ref:3875215)

Mclaren can certainly afford it. The manufacturer fee is no obstacle to any mainstream MFG.... its more as said above that it needs to be weighed against the return.

Any with Mclaren still actively looking at top tier WEC in the future, they arent going to be looking at DPi for now.

They were keen supporters of a shared platform though, so they clearly acknowledge the value of IMSa if the conditions are correct.

fieldodreams79 · 10 Jan 2019, 16:15 (Ref:3875294)

Retro Fords at the Rolex 24 means they get BoPed to victory right?

https://twitter.com/dailysportscar/s...95384309878784

I like 'em. The liveries. Not the Fords

Nick Woodbury · 10 Jan 2019, 16:16 (Ref:3875295)

OH MAH GAWWWWD

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