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25 Jun 2023, 13:05 (Ref:4165281) | #153 | ||
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All TCR cars are "produced" ("built" is a far better word) either: By the manufacturer (CUPRA, Hyundai, Audi Sport etc.) OR By a manufacturer-nominated builder (e.g., JAS and Cyan Racing) OR In some cases a sole privately-funded organisation (for example, all Alfa Romeo TCR cars were built by Romeo Ferraris, Tecnodom built the short-lived Fiat Tipo TCR, Vukovic built the Renault Megane TCR, Top Run built the recalcitrant Subaru WRX TCR) Hence Audi Sport and CUPRA have sold hundreds of TCR cars to customers across the world |
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25 Jun 2023, 20:46 (Ref:4165450) | #154 | ||
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I mean standard as in the same as the road cars, not standard as in all the same as each other!
BTCC front end: TCR front end: The latter is based on the road car using the standard chassis rails and you built up a reinforced version of a standard (i.e., road car) front subframe underneath albeit with fabricated control arms. To be clear, I'm not saying that BTCC diverging from road cars in this way is necessarily a problem. It's clearly a good ruleset where a diverse range of cars like the Infiniti Q50 and Subaru Levorg have previously been competitive, as well as the likes of a Toyota Avensis and Corolla and so on and so forth. It's straightforward for a private team to homologate nearly any body shape, using the standard subframes and often the TOCA engine and be competitive, which is great. It would be nice if there were still more cars following the RWD option of course (Alfa Romeo Giulia and so on; I appreciate the Subaru was controversial as the rule makers had not considered that shorter flat-four and V4 engines would have a handling advantage by sitting further back in the chassis than inline-fours!), but oh well. It would be nice if the numbers for Halford's to sponsor Team Dynamics stacked up in the way it does for NAPA to sponsor Motorbase, but obviously it doesn't anymore, so that's fine and the BTCC still has a full grid. Quote:
As you say it is a lucrative market, where you can potentially sell not just the minimum run of 10 cars but hundreds of cars even! Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 25 Jun 2023 at 21:00. |
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For most of the private efforts - Fiat Tipo, Renault Megane, Subaru WRX, Ford Focus, Opel Astra - it's been far from lucrative. Quote:
Anyhow, I feel we are getting very much off topic now. The title is 'How to improve the BTCC', and I'm not sure that have a couple of teams make cars for rival series does anything to address that. |
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27 Aug 2023, 11:24 (Ref:4174153) | #157 | ||
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One of the challenges with improving the product, is that others will think it makes things worse.
Allow the cream to rise to the top, people complain it's boring. Implement measures to mix up results, people complain it is artificial. |
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27 Aug 2023, 11:28 (Ref:4174154) | #158 | |
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But at the moment you maybe have the worst of both. It's a common complaint that it's been boring for the last couple of seasons, and that it's artificial because there's all sorts of undisclosed schenanigans with technical waivers behind the scenes.
It doesn't help that TOCA are very strict on keeping the technical bulletins and the information held within confidential, to the point where I don't think the general audience would even be aware of their existence. The way the BTCC is run these days makes it easy to harbour conspiracy theories. |
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28 Aug 2023, 07:45 (Ref:4174317) | #159 | ||
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What behind the scenes shenanigans? Where is the proof of this? Conspiracy theories indeed
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28 Aug 2023, 08:22 (Ref:4174321) | #160 | ||
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There's a reason you need a login. Of course most of the content is just boring logistics stuff, but not all of it. |
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