FIA World Touring Car Championship 2012

[GeriWTCC]

Originally Posted by markreeves

I know that Mat jackson got Priaulxs cars from 2006 and 2007 and these were thaen sold to Forster motorsport.

Zanardi's 2006,2007 and 2008 went to Borusan Otomotiv Motorsport in wtcc and etcc

Engstler bought 1 of the 2009 chassis and that the car that poulsen ran last season is the second car for zengo this season.

It is hard to track them as there have been so many s2000 320si's built look in any s2000 championship and they will be some knocking around

one of the 2010 cars think its Priaulx's has been kept by BMW as a show car, WSR used it at their launch this season while their cars were being fitted with turbo engines

someone may know more mate not sure...

Thank you the answer!
Just one more question: I read (in an article from 2009), that Wiechers bought a factory 2009 BMW, and will run it with No. 22, but Wiechers had not No. 22 car in 2010. Was Bennani's No. 21 car, this factory BMW?

In the Seat, is this possible, that, Oriola got Coronel's 2010 car, and Dudukalo Gené's? Who got Zengo's 2010 Leon?

Sorry, for this complication. :-)

[Pettersson]

BMW withdrew as a works effort after 2010. Priaulx 2007 car (as well as Jackson's 2008 car and Arthur Forster's car) is now owned by Vuković Motorsport for use in ETCC this year. Priaulx's 2006 car was used by Jackson in 2007 and by Martin Depper in 2010.

One of Priaulx's 2010 cars (or did he have just one?) went to West Coast Racing last year after Göransson wrote off his regular car.

One of ROAL's last BMW works cars (from 2010) is today driven by Cerqui in WTCC, with Coronel using a BMW Motorsport spare chassis. The second ROAL 2010 car was used by Coronel in pre-season 2011 before his 320 TC was ready. Don't know where that car is today, unfortunately.

Poulsen's 2011 car (as well as Weber's 2012 car) is his own car from either 2007 or 2008. Not sure which it is, since he had so many of them. He got 2 cars for 2007 DTC season, then he bought the 3 cars from Team Essex Invest when they withdrew from DTC after 2007. So in total he had 5 E90's, a bit tricky to keep track of them

I also think one or two of ROAL's 2009 (or 2010) chassis is in Russia (driven by Mikhail Urkhov and some other guy I can't spell). I know one of ROAL's 2007 chassis went to Estonian Urmas Kitsing, and just one or two years ago there was an E90 claimed to be an ex-Zanardi with full livery for sale in Sweden. Not sure where (or if) it was sold. There are also a few E90 in Asia which I don't know the origin from, but all of them are pre-2009 so that's no help.

[markreeves]

Originally Posted by Pettersson

BMW withdrew as a works effort after 2010. Priaulx 2007 car (as well as Jackson's 2008 car and Arthur Forster's car) is now owned by Vuković Motorsport for use in ETCC this year. Priaulx's 2006 car was used by Jackson in 2007 and by Martin Depper in 2010.

One of Priaulx's 2010 cars (or did he have just one?) went to West Coast Racing last year after Göransson wrote off his regular car.

One of ROAL's last BMW works cars (from 2010) is today driven by Cerqui in WTCC, with Coronel using a BMW Motorsport spare chassis. The second ROAL 2010 car was used by Coronel in pre-season 2011 before his 320 TC was ready. Don't know where that car is today, unfortunately.

Poulsen's 2011 car (as well as Weber's 2012 car) is his own car from either 2007 or 2008. Not sure which it is, since he had so many of them. He got 2 cars for 2007 DTC season, then he bought the 3 cars from Team Essex Invest when they withdrew from DTC after 2007. So in total he had 5 E90's, a bit tricky to keep track of them

I also think one or two of ROAL's 2009 (or 2010) chassis is in Russia (driven by Mikhail Urkhov and some other guy I can't spell). I know one of ROAL's 2007 chassis went to Estonian Urmas Kitsing, and just one or two years ago there was an E90 claimed to be an ex-Zanardi with full livery for sale in Sweden. Not sure where (or if) it was sold. There are also a few E90 in Asia which I don't know the origin from, but all of them are pre-2009 so that's no help.

theres just too many to keep track of, I reckon there was at least 100 built

[Craner Curves]

An idea for the Chassis History Archive perhaps?

The chassis numbers aren't very helpful either, I'm sure Turkington's 2007-2010 WSR chassis was #250-something.

[Pettersson]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

An idea for the Chassis History Archive perhaps?

The chassis numbers aren't very helpful either, I'm sure Turkington's 2007-2010 WSR chassis was #250-something.

Didn't know there was such a section since my saved link always points me to the touringcar section, but you're right, this talk belongs to that section.

[Craner Curves]

I wasn't saying it was off-topic at all, I like this sort of information.

[GeriWTCC]

Thank you for answers! :-)

What about Wiechers factory car? (Hungarian Wikipédia show that)
Coronel's ROAL car in 2011 wasn't a factory BMW?

[I Rosputnik]

Originally Posted by Yannis

The new LADA Granta WTCC is here!!!

Huzzah! Hopefully if they decide to stay for a few years things work out for them this time.

[Martinramm]

Hi

I'm writing my BA thesis on WTCC technical regulations and I was wondering would anyone know of a web page, where I could find technical drawings/blueprints of WTCCs touring cars themselves or technical parts like engine, gearbox, suspension, safety cage etc? I have google'd for an hour now and haven't found much.

Thanks in advance!

[NaBUru38]

Hi! Welcome to Ten-Tenths. You must know that the official website is www.fiawtcc.com. The technical regulations are here. Unfortunately, there are only general schemas there. Perhaps you could ask for help at Touring Car Times. Good luck!

[awrb]

Regulations will be the best you can get, I'd be very suprised if you could get technical drawings from anyone. The only people with those drawings will be the people who produce them, ie the gearbox manufacturer, engine builder, car manufacturer. I really don't think any of them will give that info out unfortunately.

Out of interest, what kind of thing were you thinking of looking into relating to the regulations, and what subject area is your degree in?

Hope you can find relevant information somewhere though.

[Martinramm]

Hi

Yes I know the official pages etc. I have been a fan of touring cars and I have watched WTCC for years now, so I'm not new to this, but I did think there would be more technical material available.

I'm trying to get Bachelors degree in mechanical engineering and my focus on this BA thesis is on technical regulations, price (why is WTCC so expensive) and how to make it at least a bit less expensive (Im suggesting using BTCCs strategy to find contract suppliers to some technical parts). I will probably contact XTrac, maybe they will send me some drawings for a gearbox they have for touring cars specially.

Anyways, waiting for this weekends race in Marocco and will be cheering for Coronel

[awrb]

Originally Posted by Martinramm

Hi

Yes I know the official pages etc. I have been a fan of touring cars and I have watched WTCC for years now, so I'm not new to this, but I did think there would be more technical material available.

I'm trying to get Bachelors degree in mechanical engineering and my focus on this BA thesis is on technical regulations, price (why is WTCC so expensive) and how to make it at least a bit less expensive (Im suggesting using BTCCs strategy to find contract suppliers to some technical parts). I will probably contact XTrac, maybe they will send me some drawings for a gearbox they have for touring cars specially.

Anyways, waiting for this weekends race in Marocco and will be cheering for Coronel

Well good luck, hope you can find what you need. I found XTrac a bit hard to get any info out of (wanted a bit for my uni project, ZF were helpful but not sure whether they are involved in motorsport at all). As NaBUru said, TCT will be good to contact, people from a lot of teams there. I'm just finishing an MEng in mechanical engineering so I know how hard it is to find this kind of information, but stick at it and I'm sure you'll find the right thing.

[kurski]

car weights (Marrakech) in the index:

1.200 kg - Chevrolet Cruze 1,6T (+40 kg)
1.180 kg - BMW 320 TC (+20 kg)
1.180 kg - SEAT Leon WTCC (+30 kg)
1.160 kg - Ford Focus S2000 TC (-20 kg) *
1.150 kg - Sunred Leon 1,6T (+-0 kg)
1.130 kg - SEAT Leon TDI (-20 kg)

[Martinramm]

I'm hoping this weight reduction will help Ford to get to top 10. Id like to see some success for them to be certain that they would stay and even maybe expand their WTCC project and it wont go like it went with Volvo, although I know its two different teams and different aspects in play here.

[auroan]

Originally Posted by Martinramm

I'm hoping this weight reduction will help Ford to get to top 10. Id like to see some success for them to be certain that they would stay and even maybe expand their WTCC project and it wont go like it went with Volvo, although I know its two different teams and different aspects in play here.

Apart from the fact that Ford aren't involved in any way financially with Arena's Team Aon entry. Unlike polestar who were entirely backed by Volvo.

[Martinramm]

Oh ok I didn't know Polestar was a works team & car.

[auroan]

Originally Posted by Martinramm

Oh ok I didn't know Polestar was a works team & car.

Yup,

http://www.volvocars.com/intl/top/ab...spx?itemid=213

[Martinramm]

But I have an overall question - when the power is limited on these cars yet chevys are so strong compared to the rest, is it down to testing and settings to get to know cars behavior and then to use it on races? Because they shouldn't have any advantage on the technical level. Or is it possible they have developed some technical solutions within the regulations to give them more power/stability/traction?

[Pettersson]

I wonder if the Chevys still are using the flat floor? If so, maybe it's time to end that dispensation since it was only for when their car was new and the complained about top speed with that old Opel Kadett GSi engine.

The Chevrolets might not have the most power (?), but they have good traction and are very good on the brakes as seen yesterday. A lot of balance there and turn-in seems very good, as well as stability (especially in the chicanes at Marrakech).

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Pettersson

I wonder if the Chevys still are using the flat floor? If so, maybe it's time to end that dispensation since it was only for when their car was new and the complained about top speed with that old Opel Kadett GSi engine.

They are still using a flat floor but not that old engine. The 1.6 turbo 'global engine' doesn't need to be based on a production block. What RML are using now is a purpose built race engine.

[Pettersson]

Originally Posted by redshoes

They are still using a flat floor but not that old engine. The 1.6 turbo 'global engine' doesn't need to be based on a production block. What RML are using now is a purpose built race engine.

Yes, I know what engine they are using now. My point is that when they have this new unit that isn't down on power and is a new construction, I don't think they are in need of that flat floor as they were in 2009 when the Cruze was new had the old C20XE (without that special valve dispensation they had with the old Lacetti) and maybe was down on power.

[stuart thompson]

I see by the latest weight penaltys that BMW s are now the same weight as the Chevys. How is this being worked out? I'm sure it's Chevrolet who are dominating so why are they not being penalised?

[Hazard]

Originally Posted by stuart thompson

I see by the latest weight penaltys that BMW s are now the same weight as the Chevys. How is this being worked out? I'm sure it's Chevrolet who are dominating so why are they not being penalised?

Based on lap times, not results.

[I Rosputnik]

Considering a few GT3 cars jumped while going over the bridge at the Slovakia Ring last year, I wonder if any of the touring cars will have enough power to do the same.