It is official: Holden to axe a Commodore!

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by anthony81901

So while the Commodore does appear to have a limited future, the numbers suggest that the Falcon's may be even more so.

its known though that Ford makes more profit per falcon than Holden does per Commodore, so it's not so clear and simple

[bluesport]

Bloody hell, my taxes are going to help build Crappodores until 2016.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

Did you notice I said "mostly"? And even back then it wasn't the biggest game in town.

Are you Serious? What was the biggest game in town then?

The legend of Bathurst was built on the series production battles from 1963 until 1972, primarily the Holden vs Ford battles from 1968 onwards....the V8Supercars trade off the battle that started there.

Bathurst would not have lasted under Series Production regulations for ten events, all with live FTA television, if it wasn't a "swinging success"

Originally Posted by mountainstar

I included the ATCC as some would consider that production based.

People can nit pick here and there, but when it comes down to it, production car racing has never been a swinging success.

Is it nit picking when you are tarring completely seperate forms of racing with the same brush?

Production based is NOT production car racing.

a Group A VK Commodore was a production based car...now compare that with a Group E VK Commodore?

[Driver TBA]

Originally Posted by anthony81901

No doubt both the Commodore and Falcon are on the slippery slope to oblivion. But the Commodore's sales are somewhat healthier than its long time rival.

In 2010 unit sales were (rounded to nearest 100) Commodore 46,000 vs Falcon 29,600, a ratio of 1.55 Commodores to every Falcon.

In 2011 it was 40,600 vs 18,700 a ratio of 2.17.

YTD for 2012 it is 5,800 vs 2,100 a ratio in excess of 2.7.

Putting it in perspective 2003 full year sales were 86,000 and 73,000 meaning Commodore sales dropped 53% in the 8 years to 2011, Falcon 74%.

Obviously lots of factors have contributed move to smaller cars, SUVs, other competitors, strong $A etc. While the EcoBoost may increase sales will have to see what the market thinks considering it is for sale at the same price as the 6 cylinder. GMH tried a 4 cylinder Comodore in the 80s that was a lemon.

So while the Commodore does appear to have a limited future, the numbers suggest that the Falcon's may be even more so.

What about if you added Territory sales? Built of the same platform and no doubt took some of the Falcon wagon sales.


It's a bit sad really (no matter which side of the fence you sit in), the Australian designed and built car is coming to an end.

I doubt it will ever return too.

[NinnyMan]

Even if the next "world car platform" is smaller then the current gen Zeta,
there's nothing to suggest that Holden won't continue to use the Commodore
nameplate?? I guess if they do then all this "axing" becomes irrelevant???

[Downoz]

Now the powers to be should have a long hard look at calling the new GM product a



FALCON

It is time to have my medication and go to bed.

[Jerico]

I attended a seminar the other day, where it was said that forty percent of the worlds car manufacturing was going to be coming out of China & India in the next ten to fifteen years. Also cars like commodore & Falcon will be legislated out sooner rather than later world wide. The days of the V8 and large six are over. Singapore already has sixty recharge stations up and running today. We will be driving Two and Three cylinder turbo Hybrides before we know it.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Jerico

We will be driving Two and Three cylinder turbo Hybrides before we know it.

How will people tow their 6m boat or caravan with those things???

[mountainstar]

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-the-spotlight

The Commodore isn't going anywhere, but it will evolve like most products do over time. And us in the USA might end up taking it as our own.

[F J Nedos]

It's going to evolve back into a VY if you believe that article

[Downoz]

Hey Chris, looks like the Commodore will live on in the US and Nascar.


Could the Commodore be the new Chevy model in 2013? The blogosphere has gone into overdrive with speculation that Holden's Commodore may race in the 2013 US-based NASCAR racing series [Holden is one of only seven fully-integrated global General Motors operations that designs, builds and sells vehicles for Australia and the world.]. Rumours are flying on social media sites and web forums following a news release from Chevrolet in the US that it would drop its Impala mid-size sedan in favour of a new car "based on a new nameplate to the brand's lineup". General Motors enthusiast blog GM Inside News says it has received new information suggesting the Commodore is returning to the US, both as a racer and as a production model. "The latest information we've gotten suggests Chevrolet will bring the Commodore back to North America as a high-performance Chevrolet sedan," the site claims. "The car will be very low volume and likely V8 only." Holden spokeswoman Kate Lonsdale was quick to pour water on the rumours, telling Drive that the reports are purely speculative. "It's been speculated widely that the Commodore will return to the US," she says. "It's all based on a Chevrolet announcement."

[formerf1champ]

So, if road cars manufacturing is going to become more streamlined. I wonder if this will occur in racing? With many classes becoming silhouette/spec cars, I wonder if, way down the road, there'll be a universal "silhouette/spec" racing car? With some modifications to a "V8 Supercar", it can become eligible for the DTM? Which, with different modifications, can become eligile to compete in Nascar? Just saying...

[Chris - Melb]

SUV set to replace Commodore

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257A9C0012F4DB

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

SUV set to replace Commodore

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257A9C0012F4DB

In 2018, maybe. Seems the journalist has taken 2+2 and gotten 73 as the answer but generally it does feel like the large local produced cars, whilst actually pretty damn good for the dollars, are on borrowed time.