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Old 13 Apr 2018, 15:53 (Ref:3815233)   #946
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A viable public transport system would remove a lot of cars from the road network.
But apart from the infrastructure it also needs to be cost effective which it certainly isn't (it's questionable whether public transport actually exists in the UK).

Similarly an effective rail freight system would remove a lot of lorries from the roads.
The concept is fine if you start with a blank sheet but in the UK I fear it's too little too late.
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Old 13 Apr 2018, 16:37 (Ref:3815238)   #947
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Old 13 Apr 2018, 17:36 (Ref:3815246)   #948
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Maybe one for your 'TV diary' if you're interested in the new UK aircraft carrier (without aircraft of course).

8pm BBC2 15.04.18 1/3

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/pro...iggest-warship
Having served on a "Through Deck Cruiser" (with aircraft) I will watch with interest.

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Old 13 Apr 2018, 17:48 (Ref:3815252)   #949
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A viable public transport system would remove a lot of cars from the road network.
But apart from the infrastructure it also needs to be cost effective.

Similarly an effective rail freight system would remove a lot of lorries from the roads.

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Hmmm. The rail system is unaffordable in this country without VAST public subsidies. It costs a fortune to build and maintain it.

And in thecDonington Park area we are about to suffer from removing freight from road to rail. A new Inland Port is being built near J24 M1 - 17 trains a day will arrive from the east coast container ports and then transfer their loads on to.......lorries to fan out around the E Mids. Thanks.

One of the justifications is the 6000 jobs it will create. How will they get to the site to work? Oh yes, cars.
Far more traffic.

How about we use the existing port and waterway infrastructure to move freight inland using the Thames, Severn, Humber and Trent etc.

Good sized coastal ships and barges could get freight from the coast to Gloucester, Oxford, Nottingham, Newark, Leeds etc

Still got to trans load it into lorries, though. The country needs viable road infrastructure.

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Old 14 Apr 2018, 17:40 (Ref:3815461)   #950
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They spent umpteen Millions , if not Billions , upgrading the 10 miles of rail line from Ipswich to Felixstowe , [ the biggest container port in the country ] , with the result that several thousand more containers per week now go on trains .

The end result is that rail transport now manages to carry about 6% of goods movements in the country , & over 90% still go on the roads.
So the idea that the railways could ever manage to carry much of the countries freight is just fantasy .
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Old 14 Apr 2018, 18:22 (Ref:3815466)   #951
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To send more by rail is a great ides. The problem is that the railway is such an inefficient entity and the rail operators are money grabbers. Should the rail networks ever become a reasonably priced efficient industry, both passenger and freight, the unions would soon wreck it.
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To send more by rail is a great ides. The problem is that the railway is such an inefficient entity and the rail operators are money grabbers. Should the rail networks ever become a reasonably priced efficient industry, both passenger and freight, the unions would soon wreck it.
I thought they already did, isn't that why they're in such a parlous state? They certainly appear to resist most forms of progress and change.
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I thought they already did, isn't that why they're in such a parlous state? They certainly appear to resist most forms of progress and change.
Isn't their current complaint about the idea of only having a driver on the train, apart from driving the train he will become responsible for all the other activities that guards, ticket collectors etc. perform.
If I was a passenger I'd be worried about that as well for many reasons.
Given the prices they charge and the other costs involved it seems ludicrous that the rail companies feel the need to save one wage per train, but they need to keep their huge profit margins.

As Andy97 said there is an alternative to road and rail and other countries still make use of their inland waterways (and are upgrading them), but they do have the advantage of being a bit wider than the average UK canal!
The problem is that building roads is the cheapest upfront option (and cheapest is always the preferred UK option) looking at the long rather than short term future/costs would make a difference.

The cost of all such infrastructure is high but other countries manage to pay for it - however they tend to have higher tax rates.
As with all the other services that have been decimated the choice would seem to be you either pay more tax or you get what you aren't paying for.

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Old 16 Apr 2018, 13:28 (Ref:3816009)   #954
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The cost of all such infrastructure is high but other countries manage to pay for it - however they tend to have higher tax rates.
Not mentioning countries where people pay for it and get few regarding the money involved or strikes for itÖ*
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In many locations, embassies arrange gatherings for their countrymen/women. In Beijing there was the dragon club, the King's Head in Ankara, etc. They also sometimes arrange charity events such as Burns' Nights. On that point I sent a message to the British Embassy in Tirana on 17 November 2016, asking if they organised events for British Expats in the city.

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As with all the other services that have been decimated the choice would seem to be you either pay more tax or you get what you aren't paying for.
That has hit the nail on the head. It's a simple choice that we don't seem to want to acknowledge.

It would be a start if "family allowance" (or whatever it is called theses days), winter fuel allowance, and bus passes were only paid out to those in need, rather than universally.
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After all how would Mike put diesel in his lorry if he didn't get his winter fuel allowance If his truck is anything like mine it'll get him to the channel on one trip, anyway



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