[Team] Williams: Do they have a spare tub?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by bella

fair question - pretty much anything. lifestyle choice, alternative career choices, country of residence choices, diet choices...

I think the peanut gallery heckling is typical for any public figure and the behavior is not unique to any gender. As fan, must you love everything about someone? Is it ok for me to be massively impressed with Lewis' motorsports accomplishments and also not care for his fashion choices?

Richard

[bella]

Originally Posted by RWill2073

See, this is very vague and doesn't seem fair to ferrucci without specifics. We have specifics on some of these things with hamilton. We also have you saying that hamilton is harmless and living his best life. So pretty different from staying cancelled, as you would like with ferrucci.

I am probably and hopefully reading too much into it, but considering one of the odd things (somewhat controversial) I've heard about ferrucci and mostly came from his dad, it leads me to believe this is a political thing.

you can do your own research about what ferrucci said and did. it's not hard to learn more. i'm not here to do that research for you.

but if you think racism is a political matter and not a human one... then i'm afraid you're part of the problem. i have no desire, nor need to explain my political beliefs to you or anyone else here, but i am no raging liberal who follows anything blindly. i have my own moral compass, thanks.

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I think the peanut gallery heckling is typical for any public figure and the behavior is not unique to any gender. As fan, must you love everything about someone? Is it ok for me to be massively impressed with Lewis' motorsports accomplishments and also not care for his fashion choices?

Richard

it's not called "loving" things about everybody. its about respecting their choices. i like to think that you, as a reasonable human being will respect his right to choose what he wears and how he presents himself even if it doesn't appeal to your own taste. but you wouldn't bring it up as a reason why he's a bad choice for an idol or hero. plenty of people would.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by bella

it's not called "loving" things about everybody. its about respecting their choices. i like to think that you, as a reasonable human being will respect his right to choose what he wears and how he presents himself even if it doesn't appeal to your own taste. but you wouldn't bring it up as a reason why he's a bad choice for an idol or hero. plenty of people would.

Ok, understand your point better now. Well put.

Richard

[billy bleach]

How is any of this nonsense about Williams?...

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I think the peanut gallery heckling is typical for any public figure and the behavior is not unique to any gender. As fan, must you love everything about someone? Is it ok for me to be massively impressed with Lewis' motorsports accomplishments and also not care for his fashion choices?

Richard

Yes. Join the club.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

How is any of this nonsense about Williams?...

It's all absolutely on point.

When I work out the point, I'll let you know!

[billy bleach]

Russel quoted as saying 2020 car will be an evolution of 19 car....oh dear...

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Russel quoted as saying 2020 car will be an evolution of 19 car....oh dear...

I can image the focus in on 2021?

They have limited funds, so spending money on a soon to be extinct set of technical regulations is probably not well spent. Even if they did rob Peter (2021 R&D) to pay Paul (2020 car), I can't imagine them leaping forward up the grid. So what is the point of focusing on 2020? This assume the sponsors are on-board with the strategy (ie. back of the grid again) and they are financially secure enough to make it into 2021. I assume they have a plan both financially and technically.

Richard

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I can image the focus in on 2021?

They have limited funds, so spending money on a soon to be extinct set of technical regulations is probably not well spent. Even if they did rob Peter (2021 R&D) to pay Paul (2020 car), I can't imagine them leaping forward up the grid. So what is the point of focusing on 2020? This assume the sponsors are on-board with the strategy (ie. back of the grid again) and they are financially secure enough to make it into 2021. I assume they have a plan both financially and technically.

Richard

If they get to 2021 .....

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

If they get to 2021 .....

As noted in my comment, it's an assumption. Nothing is written in stone, but I broadly assume things are in place to continue into 2021.

To add to my earlier comments, based upon my understanding of how the end of year payouts work, it's highly unlikely that a push for 2020 improvements would increase their FOM paycheck. They would need to surpass another team (move from #10 to #9 or higher) and I just don't see that happening right now. Challenging for #9 would be good. Frankly I expect the same in 2021, but hopefully they are in a better place going into 2021 than they are as they enter into 2020 season.

As to evolution of 2019 car. I assume only they know if the core issues (assuming they understand the issues) are baked into that concept (and they will have to live with it in 2020) or maybe whatever is wrong with that car is not inherent to the chassis and can be evolved to improve.

It's all speculation. It will be interesting to see how things look in testing and the first few races of 2020. That should set the tone for 2020 for them I think.

Richard

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

As noted in my comment, it's an assumption. Nothing is written in stone, but I broadly assume things are in place to continue into 2021.

To add to my earlier comments, based upon my understanding of how the end of year payouts work, it's highly unlikely that a push for 2020 improvements would increase their FOM paycheck. They would need to surpass another team (move from #10 to #9 or higher) and I just don't see that happening right now. Challenging for #9 would be good. Frankly I expect the same in 2021, but hopefully they are in a better place going into 2021 than they are as they enter into 2020 season.

As to evolution of 2019 car. I assume only they know if the core issues (assuming they understand the issues) are baked into that concept (and they will have to live with it in 2020) or maybe whatever is wrong with that car is not inherent to the chassis and can be evolved to improve.

It's all speculation. It will be interesting to see how things look in testing and the first few races of 2020. That should set the tone for 2020 for them I think.

Richard

Of the 2019 car was fixable why on earth didnt they fix it ? I makes me so sad to see this...

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Of the 2019 car was fixable why on earth didnt they fix it ? I makes me so sad to see this...

Assuming it's fixable, who knows at what point they understood what was wrong. Then the questions is time and money to develop fixes mid season. Also remember they struggled to just show up given the fiasco at start of season. So they have been on the back foot the entire time.

And this assumes it is fixable. The problem might not be fixable and they are just going to limp along until 2021. And even if fixable, how much time and money to fix it? Again, they may band-aid the car and focus on 2021.

It is sad. I have been a long time Williams fan. But this is racing! It has peaks and valleys.

Richard

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Of the 2019 car was fixable why on earth didnt they fix it ? I makes me so sad to see this...

But if they don;t have the resources to build an all new car from scratch, and then do the same all over again next year? What then? Or do you want them to just fold? This to me seems like a missing the forest for the trees run. They were MILES behind everyone last season, they don't have the cash of even Haas who buys their car in the bargain bin from Ferrari. And they want to throw money after an aluminum gear box when everyone else has moved on so decisions don't seem to the strong suit of the team.

This to me feels like a let's make it until the rules get shuffled and see if we can spend 18 months working on a car instead of 8. I'm sure there has been some discussion with Latifi and sponsors about the future, doubt they would have signed without some kind of plan given the money I'm sure he's paid for that seat.

[S griffin]

They are running a tight budget. I am sure they can still do the goods. Of course it is hard against the likes of Haas who everything in place. I reckon if things improve this season, 2021 will be something else. Latifi can help and I am sure he will do his best to keep the team afloat

[chillibowl]

say what you will about Claire but another new sponsor for Williams and one which i believe is new to the sport as well (dont quote me on that though).

https://www.williamsf1.com/racing/ne...p-with-lavazza

anyways, i hope the deal is for more than just a free supply of coffee.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

say what you will about Claire but another new sponsor for Williams and one which i believe is new to the sport as well (dont quote me on that though).

https://www.williamsf1.com/racing/ne...p-with-lavazza

anyways, i hope the deal is for more than just a free supply of coffee.

Lavazza have been involved with the team before, good news for the team!

Bit of retro sponsorship there then!!

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

say what you will about Claire but another new sponsor for Williams and one which i believe is new to the sport as well (dont quote me on that though).

https://www.williamsf1.com/racing/ne...p-with-lavazza

anyways, i hope the deal is for more than just a free supply of coffee.

Except they have lost two major ones since Christmas ...:

[bjohnsonsmith]

Lavazza sponsored the March 751, which was driven by Lella Lombardi in 1975 for March engineering. She's the only female driver to score a championship point in F1, finishing 6th at the 1975 Spanish GP.

Here she is at the Nürburgring.

[S griffin]

And coincidentally they now have a female development driver

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

say what you will about Claire but another new sponsor for Williams and one which i believe is new to the sport as well (dont quote me on that though).

https://www.williamsf1.com/racing/ne...p-with-lavazza

anyways, i hope the deal is for more than just a free supply of coffee.

I’ll say what I like about her thanks.

Lavazza is part of Latifi’s budget... not a team deal at all.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Lavazza is part of Latifi’s budget... not a team deal at all.

Is that distinction really that big? I have no reason to doubt your comment that Latifi is bringing the sponsor (and could potentially leave with Latifi), but I can't imagine that the money goes to anyone but the team in general?

Richard

[davec]

Any new sponsorship is good for the team even if it does come via the driver.

Lavazza is part of the Sofina foods group that is owned by Latifi Snr so not a major new deal from Claire.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by peebee2

I’ll say what I like about her thanks.

Lavazza is part of Latifi’s budget... not a team deal at all.

According to the ROKiT/Williams announcement: "ROKiT Williams Racing is pleased to announce Lavazza as an Official Team Partner for the 2020 FIA Formula One World Championship season.", that looks very much like a team deal.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Is that distinction really that big? I have no reason to doubt your comment that Latifi is bringing the sponsor (and could potentially leave with Latifi), but I can't imagine that the money goes to anyone but the team in general?

Richard

Not necessarily but OP claimed it as Claire finding a new team sponsor.

Which it isn’t.

Mr L will have guaranteed $x for y space on car for tax w/o...

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

According to the ROKiT/Williams announcement: "ROKiT Williams Racing is pleased to announce Lavazza as an Official Team Partner for the 2020 FIA Formula One World Championship season.", that looks very much like a team deal.

“Williams is pleased to accept $x0,000,000 from our new driver who isn’t great but has a licence and the money, and will want his stickers on the car” doesn’t sound so great does it?