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If you want to see a blatantly illegal Stock Car , try and find some pictures of the infamous ' Yellow Banana ' , Junior Johnson's 1966 #26 Holly Farms Ford Galaxie which Fred Lorenzen drove . Now that , my friend , is what I call cheating ! There's a big difference between clever men ( Ralph Broad , for one ) constructively interpreting the rules , and the cynical and persistent blatant flouting of the regulations that has over a number of years characterised the cars of a certain prominent modern-day team owner , who has run cars on behalf of a number of manufacturers over the years , and no doubt has an extremely good team of Libel lawyers ready to spring into action at the slightest hint of their client's reputation being besmirched . Unfortunately , though , the worst cheats of all in recent times have been the manufacturers themselves , submitting homologation papers in respect of cars which they know full well have not been produced in the requisite numbers , using factory body presses to run off non-structural panels in thinner-gauge sheet metal , and providing factory stamps and dies to allow the production of parts of standard appearance in better materials . |
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A common problem however is when young wannabe ricer racers go and plonk nos on their buzz buckets thinking they'll get there 150 shot gain in hp only to find that fitting just the nos alone and not doing anything to increase the fuel content while the switch is flicked usually results in burnt up pistons etc from leaning out their motor too far. |
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Have a look at the footage of nearly any race start in the turbo Sierra era and you'll see a DJR crew member jump the wall as the car lines up for the actual start to squirt some liquid under the rear wheels of the cars. I always assumed it was water to assist in getting off the line without breaking the drive train but always wondered why they were allowed to do it (Shell sponsored team in Shellsponsored series perhaps).
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don't apologize mate, you corrected me in a way too, anyway i spoke to my dad and he was adamant it was at amaroo so either dad's memory is shot or it was in a different catagory but using the same cars (me thinks it is the memory problem)
At a guess it could have been ant any of the east coat tracks as dad did travel a bit to race so anywhere from surfers and lakeside down to calder park. Who knows but with the amount of stories going around about this one it has got enough merit. |
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The tin-top push have been deviously ingenious throughout the history of the sport: Norm Beechey's Monaro was an appropriate engineering response to the artistry of the Moffat Trans-Am Mustang... Ford's attempt at building Trnas-Am style Falcons via extensive acid-dipping and lightweight panels... the defacto dry-sumping concocted to keep the early Group C cars alive... the ahem, liberal factory tolerances nominated on the Ford Tudor coupes, which allowed Henry's Heroes to tub their cars using factory parts... the sort of scrute trickery indulged in by works teams with a pet privateer for comparisons (the story about The Rascal dropping Murray Carter a new set of pistons barely ahead of a pack of scrutineers made me chuckle)... the extra holes drilled here and there to allow massive suspension geometry changes... the holes drilled in KB's Channel 9 Chev, and his special aluminium bolts - which all added up to the car throwing metal like an old chook shedding feathers every time it got a tap...
Or how, once Group A came along, about the team with a pendulum-actuated brake-proportioning system which used the car's own intertia in simulating an anti-lock braking system... And then there was the R32 GTR Skyline... pity that the scrutes basically just had to take Freddo's word for it..."oh pleeease don't throw me in the briar patch, Brer Scrute!")... the 1994 Bathurst #05 car was lucky it got to run IIRC... Grech trying to get the front top suspension mounts relocated due to them coinciding with roll cage pickup points, and therefore "free"... |
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Recall that during the early 80's, a team supposedly conducted a test session one night at Bathurst airport, guess it was wasn't that hard to smuggle a car out of the circuit when most were transported behind a panel van on a trailer, a far cry from today's monstrous pantechs, just ask Team Dynamik.
That was one of the beauties of Group C being a less professional business, there was more room for ingenuity, for mine the current circus takes itself too seriously, but then isn’t that the case with most things in life. |
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"Well" replied our laconic legend, "it would be if we had somewhere to run it in". The rest of the story revolves around a stretch of the Blayney road which was apparently blocked at either end in the wee small hours, and a blue streak, which apparently rocketed past some poor woman in her 929, waiting patiently at the lollypop man at one end... Didn't do our hero much good that year... |
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I heard recently that when some teams had to add lead weights to the car and were told they had to be visible from outside the car, the team would fit a fibreglass weight in a spot that satisfied the scrutineers, then fit the actual weight anywhere they wanted to help the balance of the car. The car would come up to weight and the scrutineers never checked to see that the weight they could see was actually weight.
what sort of devious mind comes up with stuff like we've read here? |
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I know one Sydney based privateer who, when debuting his Group A Mustang was quietly ushered into the tent of the leading Ford team. The curtains were drawn and said privateer was handed a tape measure and note pad and told very sternly - "Look here sonny, this car of yours had better be the same as ours next time we see it!"
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IIRC - Weren't the 'Cologne' Capri's required to retain the original leaf spring rear suspension, but were allowed to have 'auxiliary' springs?
So 'Coil Over' Dampers were added & the Leaf Springs replaced with PLASTIC ones!!! |
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A friend has a bonnet from a certain green Falcon that crashed at Bathurst and not only is it extremely light compared to a standard XD bonnet, it has never rusted even though he lives very close to the sea where every piece of bare metal rusts.
He also tells the story of a privateer arriving at scrutineering to be told by some works team people to take his car away and make it lighter as it was making their cars look wrong. Jeff |
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Well, when you're a car dealer running a team - you often have access to Trade Plates. Plenty of cars with numbers on the doors and names on the sides had Trade Plates on Saturday night. I once helped run in a Bathurst engine in a road-registered car. By geez that thing got me to Mittagong and back fast! Kramer |
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