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Old 10 Oct 2019, 05:56 (Ref:3933043)   #1906
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Hmm, perhaps we shall see since the EU is now saying no extension unless its for a GE or Referendum and Jezza says he's ready to permit it on Oct 21.
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This is interesting. Perhaps not accurate, and I'm sure polls can be made to prove black is white, but I sense some truth in the findings....

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartandhp
Mike, every other institution in the country had consistently backed remain, parliament, the courts, the media, including the BBC, all willing to distort or ignore the truth in order to convince the 'people' they made a mistake when they voted to leave. Why should this lot be any more believable?

My own sense is that Leave would win a second referendum, but as referendums are clearly a waste of time, why bother holding a second?
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This is interesting. Perhaps not accurate, and I'm sure polls can be made to prove black is white, but I sense some truth in the findings....

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartandhp

If they asked further questions they might find that "the people" would prefer to be "governed" by just about anyone not currently closely associated with the machinations of Westminster.

Moreover if people are accepting the message from Extinction Rebellion it (life) will be all over in about 10 years so nothing matters anyway.

Even in the deepest days of the publicised threats surrounding the Nuclear Cold War I cannot recall anything like the sense of incredulity and pointlessness towards our politicians that so many seem to be trading on today.

The EU as a business area seems to be heading into a slump that is as great ad anywhere else in the world.

The so called powerhouse economies, notably Germany in Europe and not so many of the others, is very much tied in to a Carbon based economy that will take some shifting to satisfy the demands of those who would like to replace it and to whom the politicians are listening. Few seem to understand how it ALL works, some understand, maybe bits of.

They want the UK's economy, being still currently among the top ten it seems, to join in mainly because they seem some potential to suck something out of it before it disappears up its own orifice of its own making since it is being run by idiots at the political level and and greed, mostly, at the corporate level. Not all of that greed is home grown. Indeed one might argue that most of it is not home grown. (We import a lot in the name of 'recruiting the best' and 'return on shareholder funds'.)

The Empire of the West shows many signs of heading towards its inevitable end. It's old enough to fit into the pattern of degeneration.

Ultimately none of this nonsense may matter at all. Perhaps the only effect one can hope for is that things don't get too personally frustrating in one's own lifetime. The kids will have to deal with whatever they find as they live their lives - which is how it has always been, despite the creation of the Thunberg message, and in reality is how they expect it to be. Presumably, Europe Wide, such changes would also include significant changes to to the principles and policies of the EU. In which case no generation or poll today can think of themselves as siding with a known and consistent institution to guide them through the type of future they think they are supporting.

Quite clearly the EU controls nothing except its membership lists. That's not much of a club benefit to make it worth justifying the membership subscription during its declining years.
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Old 10 Oct 2019, 12:13 (Ref:3933091)   #1909
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I said itís interesting, not that I believed or agreed with it!

Maybe weíll get the chance to vote again, as Peter says......
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This is extracted from a piece in the Telegraph by Liam Halligan:

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The UK’s EU exports have fallen from 60 per cent of goods sold abroad 20 years ago to around 40 per cent now, despite the much-vaunted single market and customs union it would apparently be so disastrous to leave under a “clean break” Brexit. And non-EU trade is now not only the majority of our overseas commerce, but is fast-growing, in surplus and conducted largely under World Trade Organisation rules – the same rules covering the majority of all trade everywhere, which we’re constantly told would be so bad.
If true then the trading levels provide an interesting discussion.
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I said itís interesting, not that I believed or agreed with it!

Maybe weíll get the chance to vote again, as Peter says......

What would be most interesting would be to combine the question about Brexit or NoBrexit with a question about the abilities of current politicians and whether home grown or external management would offer the best options to guide the country in the next decade or two.

Remember that "Voting again" uncovered the "correct" vote in Eire - which may be why they are so keen to be seen to be doing the "right" guidance now rather than being reminded of their failure to escape and the battles they face having seemingly quite successfully (but only by breaking the "rules") attracted investment that has so far fended of utter economic collapse.
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I've always thought there would be a second referendum following the Irish model. I have no doubt the result will be to remain.

It's taken longer than I thought to gather such strength, and support for the idea has certainly come from a strange place with Jezza taking up the cause.

Conspiracy theorists may think that the EU has let us get deeper into the mire as punishment for wanting to leave. Now the end is in sight the same theorists may conclude that the EU is forcing the referendum pace.

Bauble we certainly do need a second referendum. And a third. And a General Election.

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Bauble we certainly do need a second referendum. And a third. And a General Election.

Happy days!
Best of three

They will probably end up doing 'paper, rock scissors'
Nothing surprises me with politicians any more. Sad really.
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They will probably end up doing 'paper, rock scissors'
Nothing surprises me with politicians any more. Sad really.

I thought scissors had been banned along with knives and sharp objects in general.



How else did they manage to stop knife crime in the cities?
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I thought scissors had been banned along with knives and sharp objects in general.



How else did they manage to stop knife crime in the cities?
Stopped or just unreported?
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So, lots of optimism after BJ and (Irish PM) LV talks. But isnít it the countries to the east and south if us that will be need to be won over?
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Not really. They will do what they're told. The EU has weaponised the Irish border. If you look at the border between Sweden and Norway, you'll see that a hard border is not necessary. Same with Switzerland and France, iItaly etc.
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Mmm but aren't they in some kind of customs union? Or so I think I read
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Norway isn't. Sweden is part of the EFTA so comes under the EU rules but not Norway.
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