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DIJON 'MOTORS CUP'
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HVM organised 'International' event, to include CSCC from the UK and HSCC Historic F2.
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Old 6 Oct 2019, 07:13 (Ref:3932216)   #31
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Interesting you say about 944. I have always thought they would make a great race car . Never raced one but have driven plenty on the road .
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Interesting you say about 944. I have always thought they would make a great race car . Never raced one but have driven plenty on the road .
The best handling race car I have ever driven, bar none, was my 924S (basically a narrow body 944!). The 944 Turbo was a close second in the handling stakes but the turbo lag made it a bit trickier sometimes!
The problem with the n/a 924S and 944 was that there were no tuning parts for the engine. Porsche, and others, concentrated on the (inferior) 911 (a triumph of marketing over engineering logic!!!).

The only 944 homologated was the 220 bhp early 944 Turbo, too, (Group B, I think) so no 944 is really eligible or competitive for international historic competition. A very great shame.

Now, if I could afford a 924 Carrera GT...........

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Now, if I could afford a 924 Carrera GT...........
At the risk of repetition and derailing the thread, I’ve owned 2 944 S2s and a (late) 924S, and now have a 968 Sport. And of course there was ‘Tango’, the 924 race car. They are all without doubt about the best balanced cars ever, and I’d happily own this, which races in PA CER.......
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At the risk of repetition and derailing the thread, I’ve owned 2 944 S2s and a (late) 924S, and now have a 968 Sport. And of course there was ‘Tango’, the 924 race car. They are all without doubt about the best balanced cars ever, and I’d happily own this, which races in PA CER.......
A bit jealous of the 968 Sport... always liked them.
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At the risk of repetition and derailing the thread, I’ve owned 2 944 S2s and a (late) 924S, and now have a 968 Sport. And of course there was ‘Tango’, the 924 race car. They are all without doubt about the best balanced cars ever, and I’d happily own this, which races in PA CER.......
Lovely 924 GTR

Wish I had kept my 944T road car. Sold it for £6500. Kept the Quattro, though, so if one had to go it was the right decision.

Had the chance to buy a Cat D 968 Sport about 5 years ago for similar money, and wish I had despite the insurance status.
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Road or track, I do love the 951. Agreed about the turbo lag but with some electronic help this can be dramatically improved. The perfect chassis balance is not really easy to cope with on the wet probably the opinion of an average Sunday driver tho…

Thanks a lot Andy, didn't know about the BBR conversion to be available through the dealer network. Unfortunately if we come with a batch, it will be for fun only, they are fully compliant with the national regulation. Peu importe le flacon pourvu qu'on ait l'ivresse!

Now lets see how David will manage to add another win to his fantastic weekend! Go Dave', beat them all!
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David: what a weekend you had! Congrats!
Best lap for the '44, bad attitude for the Mustang overtaking during SC!
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Road or track, I do love the 951. Agreed about the turbo lag but with some electronic help this can be dramatically improved. The perfect chassis balance is not really easy to cope with on the wet probably the opinion of an average Sunday driver tho…

Thanks a lot Andy, didn't know about the BBR conversion to be available through the dealer network. Unfortunately if we come with a batch, it will be for fun only, they are fully compliant with the national regulation. Peu importe le flacon pourvu qu'on ait l'ivresse!

Now lets see how David will manage to add another win to his fantastic weekend! Go Dave', beat them all!
Gerard, if you do want to race the MX5s with CSCC next year it would be worth you contacting the CSCC office and having a chat with them about the possibility. You may be able to race with them at Spa too.

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Speak to David or Hugo.

CSCC always have a stand at the Autosport Show so you could meet them there, too, or i could introduce you, if you are attending.
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Best race weekend I've had in a long time :-) Saturday was dry and my win was at the expense of a mate who had his transponder fail. He got a good slingshot on me out of the final corner and was certainly a nose in front at the line but the manual timekeepers gave it to me by 11 thousandths! Sunday was very wet early on but a drying line appeared for our midday race. Oil from the previous race made grip very variable and tricky but I had a good start and really enjoyed the conditions. To add to the fun it started drizzling again with 10 minutes to go. I pitted early then there was a safety car period while a stranded Elan was removed, which helped me but held others up so on paper the win was easy. I suppose it's weekends like this that keep us going back for more even though they may not happen very often.
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Andy, words are missing to say thank you. Yes, you got the picture Spa is the main target. We are pure amateurs, no big wallet, no big engines but some of us have enough experience to achieve acceptable lap times.
Would be really great to meet you again at the show. What day would you prefer, I see we have the choice from the 9th to 12th of January.
I had a look to a SuperBike race at Donington this weekend. What a track you have!
PS:my talk with Ric Wood will be shorter this time. I'll buy the tea!
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We could hit the 145 bhp mark for 900 kilos. We can comply with almost any tyre regulation provided we find the right size, rims are 15". At the moment we must use Avon ZV7. May be this sounds like a good and compliant MG B?
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Andy, words are missing to say thank you. Yes, you got the picture Spa is the main target. We are pure amateurs, no big wallet, no big engines but some of us have enough experience to achieve acceptable lap times.
Would be really great to meet you again at the show. What day would you prefer, I see we have the choice from the 9th to 12th of January.
I had a look to a SuperBike race at Donington this weekend. What a track you have!
PS:my talk with Ric Wood will be shorter this time. I'll buy the tea!
Yes, Donington Park is awesome, particularly the national layout, rather than the GP circuit, more flowing. I live one mile away. I am racing there on 27 Oct in the Caterham.

Spa is always very popular for CSCC members and usually theyask for members to race with the club twice before being eligible for a Spa entry. Thats why i suggest you phone the CSCC office and talk it through.

145 bhp in an MX5 sounds good. Tyres are any List 1A,B or C so tend to be Avon ZZR/S or Yoko A048s or Toyo 888s

Not sure what day i will go to Autosport show, it depends on work, but probably the Friday at a guess. But early to make firm plans though!
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Again and again, MG David, well done. What you report about you competitor's transponder was obvious from the live timing. Luck is part of the game, you got what you deserved! Un bon souvenir de France, just to keep you warm during winter.

Andy, Yoko's are fine even if they are a little bit heavy. Predictable, affordable and rather convenient in the wet if reproved. First mail just sent to the club.

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Andy, Yoko's are fine even if they are a little bit heavy. Predictable, affordable and rather convenient in the wet if regrooved.
Not sure we are allowed to re-groove, Gerard. Most will use a new set of tyres in damp conditions. I use ZZS on the Caterham in the damp or Avon CR28s in very wet conditions.
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