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Old 12 Sep 2019, 11:32 (Ref:3927542)   #1
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First time historic racer - Getting set to go in Equipe GTS

I'm a long time reader of this forum but have only just joined up. I've recently completed my ARDS and have my national B license but more importantly I've also bought a car to race. My intention is to race in Equipe GTS which my car has previously raced in. I'm hoping to get an entry for the final race at Silverstone on the 5th of October.

Mechanically I'm sure the car is ready but safety wise I'm not so sure. I have an up to date 6 point harness, I know the seat is ok for the MSA meetings. I have a new helmet on order and will buy a HANS in the new year. I will initially be borrowing my brothers gloves and overalls as he already races. Are racing shoes mandatory? The fire extinguisher however I'm not so sure about, how would I go about finding if it is up to date? It does have a sticker on but it seems coded, I can take a picture if it helps? I have been referring to the blue book but not everything is clear.

Anything else I should be taking into consideration?

I'm fearful of paying my entry then turning up and getting turned away by the scrutineer.

As a first time racer any advice about the above is greatly appreciated.

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Old 12 Sep 2019, 13:52 (Ref:3927562)   #2
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The extinquisher regs are a bit tricky. Give Rob at RB Motorsports Ltd a ring and he will help you out. He is a Lifeline agent. He also lives just 4 doors down from me so I can kick him if he doesn't give you good information/a good deal.
I think you also have to have the underwear kit scruted these days.
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Old 12 Sep 2019, 15:00 (Ref:3927575)   #3
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A word of caution about safety type regulations. Although you obviously need to follow the regulations as set out in the Blue book, but you also need to heed any championship/club regulations that are set out by them, often in the Final Instructions package.

For instance, one driver recently had his Nomex racing boots declared invalid by the scrutineer because, although they had never been worn before, they were about 3 years old and were of an old design and they did not have a label/sticker to confirm that they were flame-proof. This was a case where the race organisers required flame-proof boots, whilst the Blue Book currently has them as advisory only.

It might be wise to also study Equipe GTS regulations to uncover any anomalies with the Blue Book.
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Old 12 Sep 2019, 15:13 (Ref:3927577)   #4
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The extinquisher regs are a bit tricky. Give Rob at RB Motorsports Ltd a ring and he will help you out. He is a Lifeline agent.
Thanks will do if I get stuck, I'm sending someone some pictures later, hopefully they'll confirm.

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Hi Mike,

I've checked it's - as In accordance with the MSA or the national regulations in country of event.
Thanks for the advice though.

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Old 12 Sep 2019, 15:17 (Ref:3927578)   #5
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Welcome Pete, and good luck in your first race.

Yes, you need boots, socks, gloves, underwear, balaclava helmet and suit all to comply.

If the seat harness has 2Ē shoulder straps you have to use a HANS. If it has 3Ē straps then HANS is optional at the present time in a Pre Ď66 car.

Extinguishers now seem to have round metallic labels that are punched with month and year that they need or have been serviced. Before that the date of service was hand written on a label. This may be hidden under a strap, which wonít go down well at scrutineering. If it canít be seen, change ext position if possible. If all else fails, go to Scrut with straps loose, and tools to tighten in his presence.

Make sure the external cut out and fire ext pull handles work. They can seize if water gets inside the cable. (Unless youíve got electric FE, in which case check itís battery!)

Check Rain light and brake lights work. Some scrutineers will check other lights as well, but not all.

Make sure tow straps, hooks or loops front and rear can be seen, and have arrows pointing at them, or TOW written close by.

Most scrutineers are very happy to help, and are working to keep us and fellow competitors safe. If they do find fault with something, there is usually a good reason for it!

Again, best of luck with the car- whatever it is!
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Old 12 Sep 2019, 15:58 (Ref:3927585)   #6
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Thanks Mike, that's a very helpful post. I think my car is up to speed on most of the things you said but will check and check again.

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Yes, you need boots, socks, gloves, underwear, balaclava helmet and suit all to comply.
I've not heard this before, looking at the bluebook they all seem optional but please forgive me if I'm wrong.

My belts are 3" but I think I'll get a HANS in the new year.

My extinguisher is hand written and it's not very legible!

The car is a 1961 Sebring Sprite rep, it's the ex Halls Garage demonstrator.

http://www.sebringsprite.com/nmy208.html

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Old 12 Sep 2019, 16:53 (Ref:3927590)   #7
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It may be series specific, Mike, but in racing with CSCC we have racesuit, boots gloves, helmet and HANS scutineered, but not socks, underwear or balaclava......


Of course the unwritten rule of scrutineering is that every scrutineer has his or her own particular obsession and will rigorously check that, whilst completely overlooking what might seem a glaring breech......

I'd generally advise any new starter to try a find a local scrutineer and ask them to give the car and kit an informal checkover in advance
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It may be series specific, Mike, but in racing with CSCC we have racesuit, boots gloves, helmet and HANS scutineered, but not socks, underwear or balaclava......


Of course the unwritten rule of scrutineering is that every scrutineer has his or her own particular obsession and will rigorously check that, whilst completely overlooking what might seem a glaring breech......

I'd generally advise any new starter to try a find a local scrutineer and ask them to give the car and kit an informal checkover in advance
Yes, my mistake, in the UK it’s normally as you suggest, but for FiA and international events all the clothing you wear in the race car has to comply, even if it’s not checked at scrutineering. MSUK recommend other fire resistant clothing! No trainers though..... Obviously boxers / underpants and bra if you’re so inclined are not subject to the safety regs. At Spa you will have all kit checked if it’s Belgian scrutineers....

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Warm welcome to you, Pete, adjust your mirrors and have fun!
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Pete, a Hans device or similar may not be mandatory in Equipe GTS, due to age related regs, but there is no way I would race without one. Please buy one before embarking on track.
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Yes, I'll second what Andy just said.
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Thanks for the replies guys, I'll be helping Pete out on his debut, but on this side of things i have about as much experience as he does!

I'll let him reply with the details on his extinguisher etc, but thanks for all the tips and hints.

I've been practicing my one man Formula One style pitstops for the mandatory stop....

Oh and its a Lenham Sprite (I think...?)

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Old 13 Sep 2019, 11:52 (Ref:3927698)   #13
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Thanks for all the replies and encouragement. My helmet has attachments for HANs so I will be investing.

This is my car



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Old 14 Sep 2019, 20:38 (Ref:3927976)   #14
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Oh a Sebring! Gorgeous. Hook up with MGDavid on here, he has built a Lenham. I used to race a standard bodied Midget years ago but my experience isn't relevant these days.



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I know Steve Hall reasonably well, we used to race Metros years ago, so I'm sure the car will be compliant, but dated equipment should be checked just in case.

Good luck Pete, I hope you enjoy yourself.
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