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Old 17 Sep 2019, 03:27 (Ref:3928443)   #61
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All the talk all year, everyone saying 'geez you can't get your head around a single spring', I think that puts a stop to that because we still don't have as much downforce [as the Mustang], and look at the results of the weekend.
https://au.motorsport.com/v8supercar...st-t8/4542166/

What a load of nonsense from Mr Dutton. They were run down a runway and the downforce was measured and found to be the same. That was before downforce was taken away from the Mustang, and 40kg more was put on the Commodore.

Dutton appears to be an advocate of alternative facts!

In all likelihood the Commodore has an unfair advantage now.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 03:29 (Ref:3928444)   #62
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Who's asking for that?
well if you don't have parity what other alternative is there?
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 03:47 (Ref:3928446)   #63
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We could always go back to group c rules, there was never any *****ing, winging and whining back then
Interestingly though, the dying days of both Group C and Group A were marred with "parity" adjustments (CAMS "Freedoms") and associated team/manufacturer lobbying.

Perhaps the current parity mess occurring in Supercars is similarly indicative of its stage in its lifecycle.

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What a load of nonsense from Mr Dutton. They were run down a runway and the downforce was measured and found to be the same. That was before downforce was taken away from the Mustang, and 40kg more was put on the Commodore.

Dutton appears to be an advocate of alternative facts!

In all likelihood the Commodore has an unfair advantage now.
And that appears to be exactly what was intended to be done, right from the onset.

Should help sell a few more Opels; or maybe not.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 04:11 (Ref:3928448)   #64
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well if you don't have parity what other alternative is there?
Is what we have now parity, or is darts being thrown at a board whilst blindfolded?
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 04:43 (Ref:3928452)   #65
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to be honest the same 6 mustangs still at the front of the pack but atleast it wasnt a blow away by Scotty Mac this weekend. So maybe its becomming a little closer....the parity

Mind you, from memory, many many years of Wincup destroying the competition in the same sense as SM, was there as much Partiy suggestions in those days. I cant remember
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 04:50 (Ref:3928455)   #66
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Whincup never destroyed anybody the way Scotty Mac is. Plenty of battles with SVG, Scotty, Will, and many others over the journey. Statistical domination but not utter domination like Scott has been showing this year.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 05:13 (Ref:3928456)   #67
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There's plenty of reasons why Whincup hasn't been able to run with Scotty this year, and they're nothing to with parity.

They are more to do with whatever internal changes have occurred within 888, which have resulted in them not allowing their engines to be thrashed,
having wheels literally falling off, and other uncharacteristic stuff.

Add to the equation Scotty is on fire with his current form, and Whincup is moving on in age, and is no longer at his peak.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 10:44 (Ref:3928495)   #68
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There's plenty of reasons why Whincup hasn't been able to run with Scotty this year, and they're nothing to with parity.

They are more to do with whatever internal changes have occurred within 888, which have resulted in them not allowing their engines to be thrashed,
having wheels literally falling off, and other uncharacteristic stuff.

Add to the equation Scotty is on fire with his current form, and Whincup is moving on in age, and is no longer at his peak.
And all that happened in 2019, the same year the mustang came out. Imagine that what a coincidence. fighting for championships one year old and washed up the next.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 11:15 (Ref:3928507)   #69
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And all that happened in 2019, the same year the mustang came out. Imagine that what a coincidence. fighting for championships one year old and washed up the next.

Yes champ; the Mustang caused the wheels to fall off the Opel, initiated the reversion back to single spring coilovers, directly caused the extreme penny pinching going on over at 888, and forced JW to pass the safety car last weekend.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 14:02 (Ref:3928527)   #70
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Whincup never destroyed anybody the way Scotty Mac is. Plenty of battles with SVG, Scotty, Will, and many others over the journey. Statistical domination but not utter domination like Scott has been showing this year.
That was a generalised comment about Holden dominance that was had for a long number of years in comparison to the ford dominance now. The reference re Jamie was just the era of Holden to Scotty re Ford.

Might I add, I dont think many will reach Whincups Statistical domination any time soon. His records are exceptional. Scotty may have if he hung around in Oz but as I have been crowing, he will be in the USA more sooner than later.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 14:05 (Ref:3928528)   #71
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Thousands of fans would say otherwise as the technical restrictions try & even out the performance via a big thick rule book and they are currently making it thicker because three teams are so far in front. Sounds like a parity series to me.
They don't test completed cars and make adjustments to try and make them equal. Trying to frame the regs to stop teams running away with things is just trying to minimise the damage/domination.

Hopefully we will soon see a new era for Supercars where the parity testing is more sophisticated. Even the series having their own aerodynamicist to assess the base road cars so aero devices can be added to equalise downforce, balance and drag without chopping up the bodies.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 21:59 (Ref:3928589)   #72
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And a new re-homologation process set for 2020:

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/18...ation-process/
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 22:19 (Ref:3928593)   #73
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And a new re-homologation process set for 2020:

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/18...ation-process/
Yep, just when they seem to have it (parity) fairly close they give themselves an opportunity to stuff it up again.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 22:28 (Ref:3928595)   #74
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So if anybody actually read the article the content is pretty good:
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“We’ve been developing an active ride system, so we could put the car in as many different ride height configurations as we want and we’ll paritise the cars across the full spectrum of ride heights, which is which is different to how we’ve done it in the past.

“I think we have improved the process.

“It’s an actual active damper, it’s controlled by, obviously, the ECU and the MCU. It won’t be something we go and race on, it’s something purely for measuring the downforce on the cars. “

“(It) uses load cells, it can measure the force being generated, and we can change the ride height of the car by 1mm in 150 milliseconds, we can change the front or rear ride height, so we’ll just measure the cars through a far greater range of ride heights.”
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 06:52 (Ref:3928628)   #75
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So enough with the muckraking conspiracy bullshit:

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/18...IXkmkp_WHpLC_4

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“Due process is being followed, all the Commission members had agreed to that. It was communicated to all the teams that that would be the case, in bullet points that were sent out. So there shouldn’t have been any surprises.

“The Commission is critical to the function of the sport. They’re the technical experts.

“The Board are not technical experts, and they (Commission members) play a very important role in the governance of the sport and supporting the Board.”
There it is in black and white.

"sources" "insiders" "pals" continue to make claims about this being "underhanded" but it is just made up ********. May as well print it in New Idea.
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