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Old 17 Sep 2019, 04:41 (Ref:3928451)   #91
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Whincup shouldnt have passed, .
Supposedly he was advised to by his engineer.

I said the same thing...
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 09:13 (Ref:3928481)   #92
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RD said it was the driver's choice.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 11:11 (Ref:3928505)   #93
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Incorrect

http://racing.natsoft.com.au/6438280...7.70Y/Chart?36

Look at car 5, was 14th before everyone stopped, 11th once everyone had stopped on Lap 14. Whincup was only in the lead on L14 because he passed the safety car and was able to get back to the start finish line and beat SM and SVG out of the pits. LH was doing 80 km/h behind the SC and never had a chance to get back and beat those guys out of the pits.

What you said SHOULD have happened. JW and LH should have been in the lead without the poor deployment of the SC.

Before the SC JW/ LH were about 55s behind of SM/SVG. The SC deployed into the gap between Those two groups. It slowed down LH/JW and allowed SVG/SM to get in and out of the pits without losing position.

If LH had been the leader than getting waved around would put him almost a lap ahead. But it didnít, his position didnít change when we was waved around did it?
When LH was first car behind the SC he was in 11th and almost a lap down on JW/SVG/SM. He was waved through to get the pack in order.

JW muddied the waters slightly by passing the SC. Without this he would have restarted 10th, 1 spot in front of LH.
JW passing the SC did not effect the way the SC deployed or the fact that SM/SVG got huge gains under the SC.
Spot on!

They did a terrible job of explaining this in the telecast, even after the race when they had the time
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 13:52 (Ref:3928525)   #94
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RD said it was the driver's choice.
"While I knew I wasnít the leader of the race, and despite my engineer confidently telling me over the radio to not get held up by the safety car, the lights in front of me were orange"

Yes JW is in control of his own destiny but you do have to also trust the people around you also.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 13:52 (Ref:3928526)   #95
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I can't agree with this - number one priority when talking about a safety car should be exactly that....safety. Not competition or entertainment. If a safety car is needed, it should be deployed immediately. If safety car deployment can wait a lap or two so as to not mess up the race, then the safety car wasn't needed in the first place.

And if it isn't "fair" to deploy immediately, then it isn't "fair" to deploy later....there's always going to be someone getting shafted, but that's something that should come down to bad luck, not a conscious decision to help one party but not another.
Don't disagree at all, which why the system needs to be revised. We've seen the safety car wait to pick up the leader after some reasonably big crashes in the past, yet here they could have waited but didn't. The SC was still needed for the recovery, when it was called before the car got moving again that is, and this one was not typical in that more often cars are stopped in dangerous positions.

I think they need to have more options to use, absolute focus on safety where necessary, but where urgent response is not needed a system to minimise interference with the race result.
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Old 17 Sep 2019, 15:43 (Ref:3928542)   #96
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Itís a shame that had to happen. Hopefully it can be avoided in the future. Itís always best when it picks up the leader. Of course itís harder with dangerous situations, but not all of them are, some arenít even needed. The SC does some good, but needs itís problems to be ironed out
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 02:46 (Ref:3928609)   #97
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The issue is Drivers are incentivised to race back to the Safety Car, remove that and the problem goes away.

Code 60 anyone?
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 08:48 (Ref:3928653)   #98
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Speedcafe have done an analysis of where the cars were when the safety car was called. Link

Might help to reduce some of the confusion around here.
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 11:05 (Ref:3928666)   #99
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Speedcafe have done an analysis of where the cars were when the safety car was called. Link

Might help to reduce some of the confusion around here.
It is no longer an analysis of fact when the author injects their own opinion.
It is therefore, an opinion piece, which is less credible.
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 12:15 (Ref:3928679)   #100
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"While I knew I wasnít the leader of the race, and despite my engineer confidently telling me over the radio to not get held up by the safety car, the lights in front of me were orange"
Doesn't that translate as 'RC got it right at the time and JW ignored the signal'? I'm presuming as in other series, Green means pass, orange means don't. Even if he wasn't the leader, the orange light might well have been for other safety reasons as in needing to get the cars under control NOW.

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Code 60 anyone?
Or FCY, whatever you call it. As a marshal, I've experienced both, they work well.
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Old 18 Sep 2019, 20:22 (Ref:3928750)   #101
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After a bit of time to reflect, I've come to sympathise a little with Race Control - I feel they used the Safety Car to stop Jamie and co flying around the rest of the track to beat Scotty and the rest out of the pits.

So it was essentially used for safety, which is hard to argue against. Yes, it affected the race result, but looking at Jamie's sector times after he passed the SC shows drivers are still pushing and with no real way to punish that behavior, Race Control used the SC in rather an unorthodox, but SAFE manner (to begin with anyway).
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 02:55 (Ref:3928774)   #102
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"While I knew I wasnít the leader of the race, and despite my engineer confidently telling me over the radio to not get held up by the safety car, the lights in front of me were orange"

Yes JW is in control of his own destiny but you do have to also trust the people around you also.
What a ridiculous instruction for the engineer to give. When the SC is out he is not in control.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 03:49 (Ref:3928786)   #103
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So it was essentially used for safety, which is hard to argue against. Yes, it affected the race result, but looking at Jamie's sector times after he passed the SC shows drivers are still pushing and with no real way to punish that behavior, Race Control used the SC in rather an unorthodox, but SAFE manner (to begin with anyway).
His laptime was mentioned as only 2 seconds slower than "normal" on his 2nd chase to the Safety Car. Hardly slowing down to a safe speed.
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Old 19 Sep 2019, 04:07 (Ref:3928789)   #104
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https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/19...ce-suspension/

Over reaction from CAMS, or justified?

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Old 19 Sep 2019, 04:23 (Ref:3928792)   #105
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What a ridiculous instruction for the engineer to give. When the SC is out he is not in control.
And he should be given a holiday too.
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