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Old 24 Sep 2019, 18:58 (Ref:3929935)   #126
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The end might be nigh for Pukekohe...https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing...-also-in-doubt
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 21:35 (Ref:3929962)   #127
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The end might be nigh for Pukekohe...https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing...-also-in-doubt
or just the media are doing there thing, taking a piece of information and making up the rest of the story...

"only a "small portion" of land is being considered and there is no intention of closing."
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 22:22 (Ref:3929966)   #128
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Old 24 Sep 2019, 23:16 (Ref:3929977)   #129
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Old 26 Sep 2019, 12:16 (Ref:3930216)   #130
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The leaders were behind him when the SC was called, and they then pitted. There was a big gap in front of Whincup so it is easy to see why they put the SC out in front of Whincup, but that hold up gave a massive advantage to the cars that pitted under the safety car.
That's what I thought, but it wasn't clear on the coverage we got. So as I said earlier, cars should slow for the flags and then the SC is popped out in front of the leader as he crosses the start line and pit entry closes from the flags until the line is formed. It should be easy enough. But FIA don't want to do it like that so no-one else gets it right either.
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Old 27 Sep 2019, 03:34 (Ref:3930310)   #131
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Honestly, it shouldn't need the pits closing. With all the modern computer scoring and every car having a beacon, there shouldn't be any doubt as to who is leading and who is in 15th. The teams all know who's where but the "officials" don't. Those in the big office need to up their game and learn how to read the lap timing screens.
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Old 27 Sep 2019, 03:43 (Ref:3930311)   #132
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Honestly, it shouldn't need the pits closing.
It's not about this incident, that's a reference to solving the problem of drivers not respecting the yellow flag and racing back to the pits.
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Old 27 Sep 2019, 04:02 (Ref:3930313)   #133
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It's not about this incident, that's a reference to solving the problem of drivers not respecting the yellow flag and racing back to the pits.
The pits aren't closed in F1 and nor to the drivers race back to the pits because there is a minimum sector time.

A minimum sector time is what is needed.
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Old 27 Sep 2019, 12:31 (Ref:3930379)   #134
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The pits aren't closed in F1 and nor to the drivers race back to the pits because there is a minimum sector time.

A minimum sector time is what is needed.
F1 is the start of not doing it properly, simply because FIA didn't want to confess they'd taken the idea from the Americans. Which is why it's a Safety Car, not a Pace Car. The consequences of dealing with the many problems that have occurred as a direct result of trying to reinvent the wheel is why we're all where we are.

Failing that, FCY as deployed by WEC (and adopted by F1) works exceptionally well.
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Old 28 Sep 2019, 07:45 (Ref:3930537)   #135
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From what I saw...and apologies to those who have mentioned this before...this is my summary of what has happened. I have looked at the footage and the Natsoft timing charts.

- 12 cars pitted prior to Lap 14 when the Safety Car was deployed. Car 88 is the leading car that has pitted.
- The remaniing cars pitted on Lap 14 and all seem to take a large portion of their 120 litre fuel drop. The safety car was to pick up the leader (Car 17) but he and everyone behind them pitted. Car 88 would be the next car to pick up.
- In the meantime Whincup took matters in his own hands and passes the Safety Car and gains half a lap to the field. All cars that have pitted on Lap 14 would then be behind the others that have pitted earlier (but the Lap 14 pitters would have a significant quicker second stop to make as they would have substanially less fuel to put in).
- Now Race Control determines that Car 88 is the lead car (I assume not aware that he did pass the Safety Car until it is too late) and lets everyone trough to Car 88. At that stage with his half lap gain he ended up in front of Car 17. This then put the cars that pitted prior to Lap 14 now behind those who did.
- The video emerges of Whincup passing the Safety Car and he gets a drive through penalty, giving the lead back to McLaughlin.
- If Whincup stayed behind the Safety Car then it all would have been sorted out. To me, he is 100% at fault in the incident. Unfortunately Race Control waving the other cars through exaperated the problem, but they did act to release the cars to the lead car on the timing screen, which was Car 88.

I cannot understand how Roland can explain so wrong on the 'Enforcer and the Dude' podcast and Ryan Story agreed with him. I can also see how Paul Morris is so against CAMS and backing up his mate Roland.
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Old 28 Sep 2019, 21:27 (Ref:3930650)   #136
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A couple of issues with that, firstly Whincup was ahead of McLaughlin et al on track so from what I can tell from the timing the SC was sent out before McLaughlin pitted. The lap 14 pitters were never overtaken by the cars behind the SC (just JW).

I'd be astonished if the SC crew didn't radio about JW overtaking them, let alone all the other camera angles available to them. They said they intended to wave the lap 12 pitters around, which was necessary because they were almost a lap down.

I used to hold a view similar to what race control showed here, ie get the SC out and then worry about sorting out the order later, and I still do for situations where there is rescue intervention required, but the position loss suffered by the lap 12 pitters here is not justified for a simple car recovery presenting no danger.
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Old 30 Sep 2019, 12:07 (Ref:3931073)   #137
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Thank you, that all makes sense. It wasn't clear from the highlights we had if JW was actually the leader once the others had pitted or if there were still others in front.

Regarding the SC coming out, potential danger should be irrelevant. All cars should slow to the point where it is safe anyway, and having done so the SC can be released as the leader crosses the line. The difficulty with that is cars racing back to the pits, therefore it is better to close the pits until a line has formed behind the SC. That last is not currently the rule, however, so there is an incentive to get to pit lane as quickly as possible which creates both difficulty and danger. The alternative is a FCY/Code 60/80 type rule which enforces a maximum speed (Possibly controlled by limiter) once the boards are displayed.
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