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Old 24 Jan 2020, 00:03 (Ref:3953033)   #106
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I can’t see how a car that dominated the last 1/3 of the season can remain relatively untouched and achieve 12% reduction in downforce by a wing angle limitation.

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That's supercars for you, why would any other manufacturers join this circus when they keep peddling out this nonsense.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 00:46 (Ref:3953037)   #107
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I don't see the big deal.

The category independently of the homologation teams, are doing their own thing with the aero this time around, to achieve parity. Not just for Triple Eight, and DJRTP, but for all the teams. Even the ones down the back going broke.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 01:01 (Ref:3953038)   #108
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https://au.motorsport.com/v8supercar...674598/?nrt=18

How curious. One hopes the VCAT testing has been done correctly, and Mustang runners will not be at an unjust disadvantage...
After last year's botched and at times underhanded efforts, it's difficult to suddenly have any confidence in the whole process.

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It certainly doesn't look promising, insofar as being capable of achieving "parity".

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That's supercars for you, why would any other manufacturers join this circus when they keep peddling out this nonsense.
You'd surely think there'd be alarm bells going off somewhere within Supercars, given no new manufacturers have signed up for the series in the last 7 years.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 03:02 (Ref:3953050)   #109
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I don't see the big deal.

The category independently of the homologation teams, are doing their own thing with the aero this time around, to achieve parity. Not just for Triple Eight, and DJRTP, but for all the teams. Even the ones down the back going broke.
So equity rather than equality?

Good luck with that...
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 04:41 (Ref:3953055)   #110
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It is interesting that the process used has repeatedly required fine tuning during the season, so it repeatedly gets it wrong and it is still used, is that like banging your head against a brick wall and you can't understand why you get a headache?
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 05:31 (Ref:3953059)   #111
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It is interesting that the process used has repeatedly required fine tuning during the season, so it repeatedly gets it wrong and it is still used, is that like banging your head against a brick wall and you can't understand why you get a headache?
Happened "repeatedly" in 2019 but not a great deal before that. Process has been significantly updated and improved with new methods introduced for this round of testing.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 05:40 (Ref:3953060)   #112
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Happened "repeatedly" in 2019 but not a great deal before that. Process has been significantly updated and improved with new methods introduced for this round of testing.
Sounds like something Supercars' PR department would say
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 05:49 (Ref:3953062)   #113
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Happened "repeatedly" in 2019 but not a great deal before that. Process has been significantly updated and improved with new methods introduced for this round of testing.
Improved for 2020? By whose definition?
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 05:52 (Ref:3953064)   #114
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Sounds like something Supercars' PR department would say
They might I guess although no doubt anything they said would be much more "wordy" than my thoughts.

As always, no doubt we'll get a better idea of how they've done once the season kicks off.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 06:46 (Ref:3953070)   #115
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2019: flawed and outdated process allows Penske to ream the championship. People complain when it is actually adjusted back to some form of equality

2020: a much more detailed and careful process is undertaken and errors are picked up. PENSKE IS PART OF THE PROCESS

People complain.

Really what do you want?
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 08:12 (Ref:3953077)   #116
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Improved for 2020? By whose definition?
Ah, by the information released in detail about the upgrading and improvement of the process by supercars and commented on by various observers as an improved process.

We'll see this year how well it delivers - jury still out on that.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 08:23 (Ref:3953079)   #117
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2019: flawed and outdated process allows Penske to ream the championship. People complain when it is actually adjusted back to some form of equality

2020: a much more detailed and careful process is undertaken and errors are picked up. PENSKE IS PART OF THE PROCESS

People complain.

Really what do you want?
Yeah, this.

They very quickly realised something had to be done. Numerous stop-gap measures were put in place over 2019, and now this year, they've gone to great length to ensure it won't happen again. Rules, or lackthereof, were exploited, and now the loopholes have closed.

It's just whinging for the sake of whinging.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 08:34 (Ref:3953081)   #118
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It's just whinging for the sake of whinging.
By 888 during 2019?

If so, what you're saying would be somewhat correct.
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 08:58 (Ref:3953085)   #119
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They very quickly realised something had to be done.
Are you SURE Scott McLaughlin didn't win regularly simply because he is the best driver in the best team!?

The explanation of McLaughlin being the best driver by some margin is FAR more plausible, especially considering he already won the championship using an FGX that was at a considerable disadvantage to the ZB Commodore going by Supercar's own numbers (with further enhanced ZB now needing a 12% reduction to be brought back to FGX levels).
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Old 24 Jan 2020, 09:19 (Ref:3953090)   #120
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Are you SURE Scott McLaughlin didn't win regularly simply because he is the best driver in the best team!?\
Yes quite sure. Look at all the other Mustang runners, and where they were in Falcons. Once they got the Mustang they all vaulted up the field.
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