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Old 9 Jun 2007, 08:12 (Ref:1932967)   #1
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If I had a dispute with a supplier I would spend a couple of hundred bucks on air fares and go and sort it out for there is no such thing as a problem, there is however a solution awaiting to be discovered.

The fact that this has not been done and that one side is trying to resolve the issue via the media and "pubilic opinion" whilst the other side maintains a silence suggests that the first party are not honoursble people to deal with
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 08:30 (Ref:1932972)   #2
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Another thread on TKR
How many of these TKR threads do we need?

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96075

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97208
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 08:33 (Ref:1932975)   #3
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Er, you do realise that those other threads are locked.
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 08:40 (Ref:1932980)   #4
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Bodog: Would it be rude for a Kiwi to perhaps point out that to most of us Kiwi motorsport fans, we are all interested in the TKR situation.

New Zealand has proven time and time again that we are a passionate V8 Supercar fan base - Pukekohe has one of the biggest crowd attendances of the season - and we are a parochial bunch.

Right now, TKR is of near and dear interest to most people in NZ. Just other day, as a showing of loyalty, I donned my TKR shirt to show support. I was in a shop and no less than 6 people approached me and asked me if I worked for TKR and what the given situation there was. Of course, I couldn't comment as I didn't know.

But that's not the point, the point is is that the public have an interest and as such want information. TKR has a big under-current of support and interest here in NZ and people want to know. So threads will keep appearing!
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 08:58 (Ref:1932989)   #5
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Er, you do realise that those other threads are locked.
Apolologies - I hadn't noticed that one was and a new thread suggested - but http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...t=97208&page=4 still looks open

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Bodog: Would it be rude for a Kiwi to perhaps point out that to most of us Kiwi motorsport fans, we are all interested in the TKR situation.!

I'm a kiwi myself - so understand the interest in TKR's future and Kiwi pride (can't say they're my team though) - I was just suggesting it stay in existing threads

Kiwi's still have plenty of drivers to support this weekend

and with Hamilton next year I bet there'll be some keen business's ready to step up with sponsorship - although it's looking like the America's Cup might be heading back your way and then everyone will chuck their money at Team NZ

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Old 9 Jun 2007, 09:19 (Ref:1933001)   #6
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Bodog: Would it be rude for a Kiwi to perhaps point out that to most of us Kiwi motorsport fans, we are all interested in the TKR situation.

New Zealand has proven time and time again that we are a passionate V8 Supercar fan base - Pukekohe has one of the biggest crowd attendances of the season - and we are a parochial bunch.

Right now, TKR is of near and dear interest to most people in NZ. Just other day, as a showing of loyalty, I donned my TKR shirt to show support. I was in a shop and no less than 6 people approached me and asked me if I worked for TKR and what the given situation there was. Of course, I couldn't comment as I didn't know.

But that's not the point, the point is is that the public have an interest and as such want information. TKR has a big under-current of support and interest here in NZ and people want to know. So threads will keep appearing!
I think most of the public want to know where the money went to buy the new car.

There is so much dirty laundry in TKR, but as usual they are playing what happened.
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 09:55 (Ref:1933019)   #7
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TKR has a big under-current of support and interest here in NZ and people want to know. So threads will keep appearing!
And they can keep appearing, as long as every post in the thread isnt a "jeez I could do a better job, David John should just walk away" kinda discussion.
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 10:00 (Ref:1933023)   #8
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And they can keep appearing, as long as every post in the thread isnt a "jeez I could do a better job, David John should just walk away" kinda discussion.
and.."Respect my authoritie..." hey, Cartman?
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 10:43 (Ref:1933044)   #9
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and.."Respect my authoritie..." hey, Cartman?
I laughed.
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 10:59 (Ref:1933055)   #10
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And they can keep appearing, as long as every post in the thread isnt a "jeez I could do a better job, David John should just walk away" kinda discussion.
Considering you started the original thread and then posted every news article you could find, why the change in feeling ?

You added fuel to the fire when you could, why the sudden change ?

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Old 9 Jun 2007, 11:05 (Ref:1933058)   #11
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From what I heard at the time, the money raised from the NZ public was the initial payment towards the purchase of the car, so the money is sitting in the car that FPR are holding onto....

I am just wondering tho, if TKR are so in the 'wrong' why have the solicitors come out saying they don't owe any money - it is not as if TKR would be their only clients, therefore their reputation is on the line, Clare Ponton of Ford NZ has come out on the radio saying they will support TKR and help with mediation - why would they do that if they thought TKR was in the wrong, and why are the sponsors all sticking around (after all one news said they had phoned around and no sponsors were planning on pulling out).

Also, where did the $1.5 million from Ford come from (mentioned in the other thread), when I was talking to a ford dealer a while ago, they were talking $100,000 a year....
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 12:35 (Ref:1933103)   #12
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Considering you started the original thread and then posted every news article you could find, why the change in feeling ?

You added fuel to the fire when you could, why the sudden change ?
The fuel to the fire is around things that didnt add up at the time... when pressed the answers were not wholly what was expected. But thats a question of a management choice around the application of funds in the racing team, and their choice of driver in different circumstances.

We have entered a different world now... a failure to appear at Eastern Creek potentially puts the team's franchise licence slot up for review by TEGA ... especially as this is the 2nd time in 2 years that it has happened... and while the first one was (very) begrudgingly allowed... this one may lead somewhere interesting....

At the same time, it is solicitors at dawn between this team and one of their contractors. Potential exists for a counter claim for lack of specific performance of the contract. So we are looking at a potential legal skirmish, in two parts: around the termination of services of a car preparer and the choice of the driver to terminate his services.

None of this was happening when the previous posts questioned who was going to be behind the wheel of the car, or the method used to accumulate funds to secure the new car.

We have seen an escalation in the level of seriousness to levels not in place with this team previously. And quite frankly, it is very difficult to determine from this position who is in the right and who is in the wrong, and the specific circumstances around it all. So we wont.

We need to continue to be careful in the choice of phraseology and directional discussions and not make claims that cannot be supported with a reasoned argument demonstrated purely as speculative, or where a media outlet has made a proclamation, reporting their views and again building a reasoned argument.

My initial thoughts and misunderstandings remain... but they pale into insignificance compared to the position this team now finds itself in. So the position doesnt change, but the treatment of the new circumstances certainly does.
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 12:53 (Ref:1933119)   #13
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I would not call FPR the bad guys here untill you have all the facts,It is no secreat that TKR have been short of dough for a long time well the whole time really, You want to know where the money goes,Firstly Driver payment the RAT is'nt in this deal for the love of NZ, he has never come cheap in the last 10 to 15yrs.To run a top level car each week plus make the repayments for the chassis plus engine costs let a loan the short fall from last season,Not to forget Big Daves handsom cut.
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Old 9 Jun 2007, 23:11 (Ref:1933562)   #14
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I agree we should not call FPR the bad guys here without all the facts.

We should not call TKR the bad guys here without all the facts also.
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I would not call FPR the bad guys here untill you have all the facts,It is no secreat that TKR have been short of dough for a long time well the whole time really, You want to know where the money goes,Firstly Driver payment the RAT is'nt in this deal for the love of NZ, he has never come cheap in the last 10 to 15yrs.To run a top level car each week plus make the repayments for the chassis plus engine costs let a loan the short fall from last season,Not to forget Big Daves handsom cut.
Not to mention the extraordinary amount spent on repairing the panel and paint damage after just about every race meeting and with this driver, that repair bill seems to be extraordinary, not even counting the 'big' one that led us to where we are now.

And 'Daves' hansome cut.?? 'Dave' is the Owner of this Team. He has poured everything he has, and more into the Team. I dont think he takes a 'cut' as such. He IS the Team and the team is HIM. They are not seperable.
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