2016 Rolex 24 Entry List - Page 5

Lanky Turtle · 1 Jan 2016, 07:41 (Ref:3601371)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Just a question: anyone think that the Roar and the 24 itself will be a Corvette DP/Chevy LS small block fest up front, or will any other make/model of prototype have a chance?

I predict that Shank and SMP will look good in qualifying, but come race time the DPs will make their way to the front. I'd expect the Ganassi Ford's to be in the mix for the win along with the Corvette DPs.

I was never a fan of the Gen1 and 2 DPs for the most part, but I think history will look back favorably on the Gen3 Corvette DP. It's fast as a P2, reliable, and it'll shake the ground from a mile away with that V8 and those straight pipe exhausts, and it looks pretty cool too. I'll miss them come 2017.

chernaudi · 1 Jan 2016, 09:16 (Ref:3601376)

Biggest advantage that the DP teams have are all-pro driver line ups. Most of the LMP2 cars--namely MSR--have a pro-am driver line up. I'd also expect Mazda to be fast since they have an engine that makes decent power now as far as a stock block engine, but their new engine was designed for sprint races in Indy Lights, not a 24 hour sportscar race.

FormulaFox · 1 Jan 2016, 09:53 (Ref:3601381)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

And after the unclear announcement about how Sergio Perez might be involved with the 007 TRG Aston Martin entry... he's listed as a driver in the car for the Roar at least.

And only the Roar. Though I also missed it when the announcement was made, it was expressly noted that Perez would NOT be racing the car. This was an easily-missed detail as some news outlets neglected to include it when posting the announcement.

**joeb** · 1 Jan 2016, 14:28 (Ref:3601416)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Just a question: anyone think that the Roar and the 24 itself will be a Corvette DP/Chevy LS small block fest up front, or will any other make/model of prototype have a chance?

I'm interested to see how the new Mazda motors perform alongside the new HPD. The DP's will be fast and reliable during the race but the other machinery might have a chance during qualifying. But I do wonder how many teams will go all out for the roar.

MaskedRacer · 1 Jan 2016, 15:11 (Ref:3601420)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Biggest advantage that the DP teams have are all-pro driver line ups. Most of the LMP2 cars--namely MSR--have a pro-am driver line up. I'd also expect Mazda to be fast since they have an engine that makes decent power now as far as a stock block engine, but their new engine was designed for sprint races in Indy Lights, not a 24 hour sportscar race.

You only need one super fast driver for the end of the race. The rest of the lineup don't have to be fast. Just keep 4 wheels on the track and not bang anybody else for over 23 hours. Thank you IMSA full course yellow procedures.

BullMan · 1 Jan 2016, 15:56 (Ref:3601423)

With the way cautions are thrown, if you can stay on the track, you have a chance at the end.

Deleted · 1 Jan 2016, 16:35 (Ref:3601429)

Yes there are only two checklist items (besides "qualifying" at the top of the restart order lol) prior the final rubbin' is racin' GWC flag:

- Don't crash / make contact
- Don't have mechanical gremlins

And even then you can sit in garage for 30 laps and get back with the free lottery tickets, unless it's terminal failures

IIRC Shank and Krohn still had okay positions half way through last year, even with the lackluster drivers and issues... guess why. And 2014 with the absolutely disgusting BoP towards LMP2, they were able to hang up there and thereabouts with the free lap lucky dogs too.

MaskedRacer · 1 Jan 2016, 21:42 (Ref:3601490)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Yes there are only two checklist items (besides "qualifying" at the top of the restart order lol) prior the final rubbin' is racin' GWC flag:

- Don't crash / make contact
- Don't have mechanical gremlins

And even then you can sit in garage for 30 laps and get back with the free lottery tickets, unless it's terminal failures

IIRC Shank and Krohn still had okay positions half way through last year, even with the lackluster drivers and issues... guess why. And 2014 with the absolutely disgusting BoP towards LMP2, they were able to hang up there and thereabouts with the free lap lucky dogs too.

I'm sure you were kidding when you said 30 laps. Realistically we have seen cars come back from as much as 7 laps down after the first third of the race to be back on the lead lap by Sunday morning. If Beau is not as yellow flag happy as race officials have been in the past hopefully you won't be able to get away with being more than 5 laps back this year.

Salamus · 1 Jan 2016, 21:51 (Ref:3601491)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

If Beau is not as yellow flag happy as race officials have been in the past hopefully you won't be able to get away with being more than 5 laps back this year.

That's still a bit ridiculous though.

It's much better to hit problems early on and make up those laps under caution than it is to run flawlessly and hit problems near the end...your lead would have vanished by then!

Deleted · 1 Jan 2016, 21:57 (Ref:3601493)

Daytona caution figures this century do tell you that you could theoretically come down from as far as 25th place because of the waveby nonsense.

2000 - 08x for 32L
2001 - 09x for 34L
2002 - 11x for 32L
2003 - 10x for 37L
2004 - 09x for 72L
2005 - 14x for 61L
2006 - 09x for 48L
2007 - 13x for 82L
2008 - 22x for 112L
2009 - 25x for 117L
2010 - 16x for 74L
2011 - 23x for 141L
2012 - 14x for 64L
2013 - 16x for 121L
2014 - 17x for 95L
2015 - 18x for 79L

Lanky Turtle · 1 Jan 2016, 23:59 (Ref:3601519)

Here's another stat of how many cars finished on the lead lap those years.

2000 - 2
2001 - 1
2002 - 1
2003 - 1
2004 - 1
2005 - 1
2006 - 1
2007 - 2
2008 - 1
2009 - 4
2010 - 2
2011 - 4
2012 - 3
2013 - 3
2014 - 3
2015 - 2

In 2015 there were technically 3 but WTR was disqualified post race for drive time.

It looks like around 2009 is when the second wave around rule must have been implemented.

I believe the pace car picks up the first class leader for the restart so a car wouldn't necessarily be able to get the wave around unless they were in that cars class, so not every caution would result in getting a lap back. Also, if the leading car does not pit during a caution then no one gets the wave around.

If someone knows better than I, then please explain it because the restart procedures seem a bit confusing to me.

MaskedRacer · 2 Jan 2016, 04:06 (Ref:3601540)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Daytona caution figures this century do tell you that you could theoretically come down from as far as 25th place because of the waveby nonsense.

2000 - 08x for 32L
2001 - 09x for 34L
2002 - 11x for 32L
2003 - 10x for 37L
2004 - 09x for 72L
2005 - 14x for 61L
2006 - 09x for 48L
2007 - 13x for 82L
2008 - 22x for 112L
2009 - 25x for 117L
2010 - 16x for 74L
2011 - 23x for 141L
2012 - 14x for 64L
2013 - 16x for 121L
2014 - 17x for 95L
2015 - 18x for 79L

Wow what happened in 2008 that ended up starting a trend. Seriously as bad as the FCY wave around rule is. The only way around it is to have the fewest number of yellows possible. I'm sure if we can get the 2016 race to be 8 yellows for 32 laps that won't be a bad thing at all. Better yet if the majority of those 8 theoretical yellows is in the early hours of the race. Assuming there is no rain which you can throw out any of this speculation if that happens.

I'm sure night racing between 11 pm and 7 am with no yellows would be quite the spectacle in person and on TV (thanks to rooftop ray and IMSA radio with Hindy and company)

BullMan · 2 Jan 2016, 16:13 (Ref:3601595)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

Wow what happened in 2008 that ended up starting a trend. Seriously as bad as the FCY wave around rule is. The only way around it is to have the fewest number of yellows possible. I'm sure if we can get the 2016 race to be 8 yellows for 32 laps that won't be a bad thing at all. Better yet if the majority of those 8 theoretical yellows is in the early hours of the race. Assuming there is no rain which you can throw out any of this speculation if that happens.

I'm sure night racing between 11 pm and 7 am with no yellows would be quite the spectacle in person and on TV (thanks to rooftop ray and IMSA radio with Hindy and company)

2008 might have been one of the years where they had fog, and instead of stopping the cars they just run around under yellow for some reason.

**Adam43** · 2 Jan 2016, 16:43 (Ref:3601607)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Just a one off for Wurz. No full season with Ford if you believe him.

Altitude bit more from Wurz
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122363

Cool that Daytona and Ganassi was enough of a draw.

BSchneiderFan · 2 Jan 2016, 16:45 (Ref:3601608)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Altitude bit more from Wurz
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122363

Cool that Daytona and Ganassi was enough of a draw.

The lure of that elusive (and exclusive) Rolex.

**Adam43** · 2 Jan 2016, 16:49 (Ref:3601611)

He couldn't afford one on the poor wage at Toyota

Jaguar4 · 2 Jan 2016, 17:33 (Ref:3601618)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

2008 might have been one of the years where they had fog, and instead of stopping the cars they just run around under yellow for some reason.

They did the same thing for the 2013 race as well.

MaskedRacer · 2 Jan 2016, 23:08 (Ref:3601665)

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Originally Posted by Jaguar4

They did the same thing for the 2013 race as well.

The 2001 race which I remember well cause the Corvette C7's won overall was also raining all night long. Yet still just 32 laps of yellow :-)

The race official each year passing has become more of a wus when you look back into history.

rich07 · 3 Jan 2016, 00:49 (Ref:3601677)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

The 2001 race which I remember well cause the Corvette C7's won overall was also raining all night long. Yet still just 32 laps of yellow :-)

The race official each year passing has become more of a wus when you look back into history.

Those C7s are getting long in the tooth eh?

Nick Woodbury · 3 Jan 2016, 02:40 (Ref:3601686)

Also take note that it was 2008 when Nascar holdings entered in Grand-Am. So for some of you conspirators out there, that is another thing to consider.

chernaudi · 3 Jan 2016, 02:42 (Ref:3601687)

I don't know how that matters much, since NASCAR always had connections to Grand Am though Jim France and ISC.

Nick Woodbury · 3 Jan 2016, 02:54 (Ref:3601689)

The convenience of it all is too palpable to go unnoticed. The sudden average increase in "Cautions Thrown" and the Nascar holdings introduction in 2008 and the subsequent years until 2014 says alot to me at least.

chernaudi · 3 Jan 2016, 03:57 (Ref:3601707)

I think that too much is being put into the NASCAR Holdings influence on GA, since Jim France and ISC always owned Grand Am. Only thing I'd say is that it was just uncle Jim buying into nephew Brian's attempts at using random caution flags to bunch up fields in NASCAR races to boost on track action.

**Adam43** · 3 Jan 2016, 11:24 (Ref:3601756)

I'm looking forward to the 24 hour FCY discussion.

manthey · 3 Jan 2016, 12:28 (Ref:3601769)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

The lure of that elusive (and exclusive) Rolex.

just for curiosity, is it exactly the same one given to the 24h Le Mans winners?

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