Marc Hynes?!

[OVERSTEER]

Anyone know what Marc Hynes is getting upto these days? you know, Marc Hynes, the guy who happened to win the 1999 British F3 series!

[cos]

IIRC he tested the TWS car at the start of the year but couldn't get a deal together

[AndyF]

It is a shame, another British driver with the talent but not the financial backing.

[Russfeld]

He seemed to have adequate funds from Nestle for a while

[Jonny Apex]

Ah, Marc Hynes. What a talent. And a very good friend to boot with wonderfully supportive family around him - no 'racing dads' here!

Marc these days acts as driver coach to Manor's FRenault and F3 squads, but is also actively seeking to return to competition given the opportunity.

Just think, he won both those championships, the second coming in what was one of F3's most competitive seasons with Burti (Ferrari test driver) and Button (BAR race driver) among those he beat. Then he went and gave Villenueve & co. a thing or two to think about on his occasional outings testing with BAR.

Let's all hope he gets that break. F1, they say, needs personalities. Well, here's one lying right at its doorstep ...

[Mr Jinxx]

Racing Dads can also be impartial

[Mr Jinxx]

Didn't Marc Hynes tutor Hamilton in Formula Renault last year, which gave him a huge advantage (impartially speaking) ??

[Russfeld]

I agree with most of what was said above except th testing comment in F1

[OVERSTEER]

Originally posted by Mr Jinxx
Didn't Marc Hynes tutor Hamilton in Formula Renault last year, which gave him a huge advantage (impartially speaking) ??

If he did, then he had a bloody good tutor!!

[Mr Jinxx]

Do you think he's really that good? I know nothing about him really.

[Jonny Apex]

When Marc tested for BAR, on more than one occasion, Villeneuve and Sato who were also out for the same team and certainly had to re-think what they were doing before matching some of the split times that Marc had set.

I recall one day at Barcelona, and it was getting very close to the end of the test, sun starting to to go down, and all that. Marc, being given his first run on fresh tyres that day, was at the second split ahead of the regular driver's best time, only to be shown a red flag three corners before the end of the lap as a car had stopped elsewhere on the circuit and the session was halted. Hence, he dutifully backed off and peeled straight into the pits. And, yes, the regular driver had already had at least one run on new rubber about half an hour earlier ...

[DavidStHubbins]

Are you Marc Hynes?!

[Russfeld]

Id hope not, becuase he's got his testing facts terribly wrong

Marc Hynes, by my records, tested twice. 18th and 19th Dec 2000

Barcelona 18 Dec
1 Olivier Panis 1:20.60 80
10 Darren Manning 1:23.34 14
12 Takuma Sato 1:24.48 25
13 Marc Hynes 1:25.26 28

Barcelona 19 Dec
5 Jacques Villeneuve 1:20.45 89
10 Takuma Sato 1:23.48 32
11 Marc Hynes 1:24.16 29

So really not even close

[Paul Rayner]

How does this:

Originally posted by Russfeld
Id hope not, becuase he's got his testing facts terribly wrong

Marc Hynes, by my records, tested twice. 18th and 19th Dec 2000

Barcelona 18 Dec
1 Olivier Panis 1:20.60 80
10 Darren Manning 1:23.34 14
12 Takuma Sato 1:24.48 25
13 Marc Hynes 1:25.26 28

Barcelona 19 Dec
5 Jacques Villeneuve 1:20.45 89
10 Takuma Sato 1:23.48 32
11 Marc Hynes 1:24.16 29

So really not even close

Prove that this:

Originally posted by Jonny Apex
When Marc tested for BAR, on more than one occasion, Villeneuve and Sato who were also out for the same team and certainly had to re-think what they were doing before matching some of the split times that Marc had set.

I recall one day at Barcelona, and it was getting very close to the end of the test, sun starting to to go down, and all that. Marc, being given his first run on fresh tyres that day, was at the second split ahead of the regular driver's best time, only to be shown a red flag three corners before the end of the lap as a car had stopped elsewhere on the circuit and the session was halted. Hence, he dutifully backed off and peeled straight into the pits. And, yes, the regular driver had already had at least one run on new rubber about half an hour earlier ...

is "terribly wrong"?

[Jonny Apex]

If you actually read the post, I said Marc - finally given a run on new tyres - was ahead at the second split. As he got further around the lap, the red flags were out because another car had stopped elsewhere on the circuit and the officials chose to halt the session.

Marc, obeying the red flag, aborted his run and came into the pits. I suppose we'll never really know, will we? My point is that he was able, briefly, to demonstrate that he had the necessary speed, particularly when compared to the likes of Sato (who I do not rate as highly), to be in F1.

Prior to that one run, pretty much all of his testing was spent running around trying out development parts and various set-ups, not going for times.

I'm sure we would all like to see Marc given a chance in a formula and seat worthy of his talents ...

[Russfeld]

3.5 seconds slower than Villeneuve and we're supposed to beleive he's setting faster split times? Or that on that final magical lap he was going to find those 3.5 seconds?

I like Hynes and rate him highly, but lets stick to the facts.

[Sato san]

I see Marc walking around the Paddock at Brands Hatch at the Tocs meeting last year , i had heard then he was driver coaching for his old mate at Manor .......thats just such a waste of his talents isnt it .

[BootsOntheSide]

Anyone who considers motor racing to be anything resembling a meritocricy, where the guys in F1 are truly the best in the world and are there through ability, determination and commitment, should think about Marc. He really belongs in F1.

At the very least, in the Ferrari test seat, as he beat Burti in 1999 UK F3 driving for a rookie team who subsequently haven't done as well, whereas Burti was in the old Paul Stewart team.

He never got any kind of decent drive in F3000 or anything, and sadly has now probably lost the motivation and competitive edge he ahd when up against Burti and Button.

[Paul Rayner]

Originally posted by Russfeld
3.5 seconds slower than Villeneuve and we're supposed to beleive he's setting faster split times? Or that on that final magical lap he was going to find those 3.5 seconds?

I like Hynes and rate him highly, but lets stick to the facts.

I'm sorry, but facts in testing mean virtually nothing. Look at those testing times, Sato was 3 or 4 seconds off the pace as well, but you can't exactly say he's useless and doesn't have the pace to be in F1. For all we know on that day, Villeneuve's car could have had some magical new component that the team were trying in qualifying trim, while Hynes was pounding around on old rubber testing reliability of something on a damp track. So many possible variables, so many unknowns, it's another one of those great "If"s that make up F1.

[Russfeld]

Exactly. Without knowing the detals you cant make any real deductions. So the comments that Marc was doing something to impress people in sector times is bogus not only from broader sense of people being on various programs, but also the physical lap data.

At the end of the day Rick Gorne got him a 2 day test in an F1 car, they didnt want him back after that. That says it all really.

[bleiben]

Collective tests Valencia 4/13/02 - 4/14/02

                                           SCRATCH TEST        

OR  DOR       PILOTO              TEAM                   PRIMERA     SEGUNDA     TERCERA   T.V.    FINAL     Km/h.    Dif 1ß

1  11   FRANCK MONTAGNY       RACING ENGINEERING       1:25.187    1:23.509    1:23.624   94    1:23.509  172.652
2  17   BAS LEINDERS          KTR                      1:25.900    1:24.222    1:23.722   95    1:23.722  172.213     0.213
3  15   RICARDO ZONTA         GABORD COMPETICION                   1:24.584    1:23.794   64    1:23.794  172.065     0.285
12 12  JUSTIN WILSON          RACING ENGINEERING       1:26.133                           11    1:26.133  167.392     2.624
14  9    MARC HYNES            GD RACING               1:27.539    1:26.399    1:27.208  122    1:26.399  166.877     2.890

Look at this. Wilson on only 11 laps was able to put a faster time than Hynes on 122!!. This was at the TWS pre-season tests last year. I don't mean he's not talented but, there's a big difference.

[Russfeld]

To be fair though, last time I can really remember Hynes driving anything, an F3000 car, was during the 2000 season

[bleiben]

Fair enough.

[GM Man]

Just one question. When Marc was about to put in his mega lap, was that his only flying lap on the new tyress?????

[Super Tourer]

I'm a firm believer that as a driver you get your 'big chance' and if you blow it, that's it.

The paddock is full of driver's who will tell you how they beat Pizzonia in F Vauxhall (believe me I know them and they still recount the story).

Take Jenson Button, lot's of people say he's lucky and had the backing, but the fact is that when he first tested the Prost he blew their doors off, when he came up against Bruno Junquera in the William's shoot out he delivered the goods again. The same with Kimi and Sauber.

Motorsport is about delivery on the day, team mangers aren't interested in what you could have done if things had gone in your favour, but what you actually delivered, 'cos that what counts when first practise starts at a Grand Prix.

To my mind Marc had a BAR test, if he'd blown their doors off, he'd be in F1. He also had a shoot out against Warren Hughes for a Euro F3000 drive, if he'd kicked Warren's butt, he would have got that drive, he didn't - so he didn't.

Sure, he was a good F3 driver, but when it came to delivering on the 'big occasion' he didn't, simple as that.