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Old 14 Jun 2019, 07:54 (Ref:3910013)   #376
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Can't make the Mustang slow enough so now they make the holden go faster, where does all this stop? They wouldn't be helping the Mustang if the holden was winning everything, this is a rort!

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/06/14...ges-explained/
What does Nissan get??

It certainly shows Supercars hand every time.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 08:43 (Ref:3910034)   #377
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Can't make the Mustang slow enough so now they make the holden go faster, where does all this stop? They wouldn't be helping the Mustang if the holden was winning everything, this is a rort!

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/06/14...ges-explained/

They just make it up as they go along.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 09:02 (Ref:3910037)   #378
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I am in the market for a new car and I cannot make up my mind between two cars that compete directly against each other in the marketplace, the V8 engine rear wheel drive 2 door Ford Mustang sports car or the front wheel drive 4 cylinder 4 door Holden Commodore family sedan. I have seen them racing against each other and the performance seems quite similar? A major dilemma!
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 09:47 (Ref:3910047)   #379
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What does Nissan get??

It certainly shows Supercars hand every time.
Nissan gets SFA as usual, but they were never meant to win.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 09:50 (Ref:3910049)   #380
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They just make it up as they go along.
But is this the last of it or do they keep going until holden win most of the races?

This is not technical parity but rather a form of BoP.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 11:31 (Ref:3910085)   #381
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Nissan gets SFA as usual, but they were never meant to win.
They simply don't lobby for anything.

They're their own worst enemy.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 19:05 (Ref:3910196)   #382
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They simply don't lobby for anything.

They're their own worst enemy.
>Lobby

>Parity series

Pick one
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 22:39 (Ref:3910237)   #383
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The kellys, couldn't engineer a winning Commodore when it won everything. Maybe the car was never the problem.

The serious problem is that Ford and Penske were allowed to bring in a car so far from the intention of the rules and so far from all that has gone before, that instead of the saviours of the series, it might just signal the death knell. Car should have been rejected at design stage. Dropped front end and custom parts made for aero benefit, wirh the roof line as a, convenient excuse that doesn't wash.

Penske are ruthless everywhere they go and between them and Ford they had more resources to spend than the series had to ensure the car was in the spirit of the rules.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 23:54 (Ref:3910241)   #384
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>Lobby

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Pick one
Pose that scenario to Ford and Holden.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 23:54 (Ref:3910242)   #385
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The kellys, couldn't engineer a winning Commodore when it won everything. Maybe the car was never the problem.
True.

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The serious problem is that Ford and Penske were allowed to bring in a car so far from the intention of the rules and so far from all that has gone before, that instead of the saviours of the series, it might just signal the death knell. Car should have been rejected at design stage. Dropped front end and custom parts made for aero benefit, wirh the roof line as a, convenient excuse that doesn't wash.

Penske are ruthless everywhere they go and between them and Ford they had more resources to spend than the series had to ensure the car was in the spirit of the rules.
False.

DJRTP are simply doing a better job than the other teams.
Just as 888 and HRT did, once upon a time.
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 00:18 (Ref:3910246)   #386
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Pose that scenario to Ford and Holden.
It is you who keeps pushing the "parity series" narrative; not Ford or Holden.
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 01:24 (Ref:3910258)   #387
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It is you who keeps pushing the "parity series" narrative; not Ford or Holden.
Correction - Supercars push the parity narrative. It's not even really a narrative, it's just what the series is.

Umai pushes the "lobbying" narrative, which undermines Supercars. It's essentially saying "if you don't come begging, we won't do anything".... in a parity series... they regulate...
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 03:36 (Ref:3910268)   #388
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The serious problem is that Ford and Penske were allowed to bring in a car so far from the intention of the rules and so far from all that has gone before, that instead of the saviours of the series, it might just signal the death knell.
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What does Nissan get??
Nissan not happy!

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/06/15...n-aero-tweaks/
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 03:47 (Ref:3910270)   #389
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Exactly, yet supercars is bending over backwards to get holden to the top of the podium and has done bugger all for the others in the past.
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 05:29 (Ref:3910277)   #390
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Seamer denies the latest 'tweaks' to the Holden were done in secret, instead processes delayed official communication.
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 06:01 (Ref:3910283)   #391
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Seamer denies the latest 'tweaks' to the Holden were done in secret, instead processes delayed official communication.
They have to fire this guy

BTW: for me the Mustang is not the fastest car anymore.
At least on one lap.
Thats the Scotty bonus.
Look at Coulthard
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 08:23 (Ref:3910297)   #392
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processes delayed official communication.
What a strange sentence.
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Old 17 Jun 2019, 02:04 (Ref:3912348)   #393
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Those processes delayed communication throughout the whole weekend.

Not a single mention from anyone, not from commentators who knew or any team member.
People were told to zip it, there's no other explanation for not discussing the latest updates in a controversial topic.
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Old 17 Jun 2019, 04:13 (Ref:3912353)   #394
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They have to fire this guy

BTW: for me the Mustang is not the fastest car anymore.
At least on one lap.
Thats the Scotty bonus.
Look at Coulthard
The Commodores appear to have retained a distinct advantage in a straight line - so given we are three parity adjustments into the season is it time for number four? Time to add some drag to the Commodores to fix the parity problem.....
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Old 17 Jun 2019, 04:36 (Ref:3912355)   #395
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Those processes delayed communication throughout the whole weekend.

Not a single mention from anyone, not from commentators who knew or any team member.
People were told to zip it, there's no other explanation for not discussing the latest updates in a controversial topic.
Found it interesting they could cover off on subjects like the colour of drivers urine and the direction of the wind and cloudcover during the weekend but didnt touch the latest adjustment to parity.
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Old 17 Jun 2019, 04:47 (Ref:3912359)   #396
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Found it interesting they could cover off on subjects like the colour of drivers urine and the direction of the wind and cloudcover during the weekend but didnt touch the latest adjustment to parity.
from memory watching my recorded telecasts I think this was spoken about either early Friday or Saturday re parity adjustments
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Old 19 Jun 2019, 05:42 (Ref:3912791)   #397
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Can't say I can recall that sandgroper......I was waiting to hear from the commentary team about these latest tweaks, but nothing.
Very poor.
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Old 19 Jun 2019, 09:00 (Ref:3912826)   #398
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Can't say I can recall that sandgroper......I was waiting to hear from the commentary team about these latest tweaks, but nothing.
Very poor.

The commentators are employed by Supercars.

They will only toe the party line and give PR speak, not their personal opinions and certainly nothing controversial or detrimental to the public image of Supercars

If only the broadcast was independent...
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Old 19 Jun 2019, 12:48 (Ref:3912865)   #399
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Can't say I can recall that sandgroper......I was waiting to hear from the commentary team about these latest tweaks, but nothing.
Very poor.
It was mentioned at the very beginning of the telecast on either friday or monday as I had just finished reading about it then they showed it briefly.....shrugs
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The commentators are employed by Supercars.

They will only toe the party line and give PR speak, not their personal opinions and certainly nothing controversial or detrimental to the public image of Supercars

If only the broadcast was independent...
The comparison with the Seven Team of the '91 to '92 could not be more stark.

No hesitation to speak ones mind about the parity.
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