Results Round Fifteen, Predictions Competition

[R]

Sorry for being late - there were some occurrences which prevented me from being online for a few hours. Here are the results though:

Results of the Race - Round # 15 15/09 Grand Prix of ITALY (Monza)

Pole position = Juan Pablo Montoya

Winner = Rubens Barrichello
2nd place = Michael Schumacher
3rd place = Eddie Irvine
4th place = Jarno Trulli
5th place = Jenson Button
6th place = Olivier Panis


Results of the 10 Tenths Predictions Competition - Round # 15 15/09 Grand Prix of ITALY (Monza)

1 - 6 points = pb btcc
2 - 5 points = enemy-ace, Mark F1, racer69, Raven, Toth
7 - 4 points = Baby Spice, Carla O, con-rod, Cougar21, Damon, FastJoel31, freud, Inigo Montoya, Kenny W., MiniMe, mtpanorama, nameless, paulzinho, senna12
21 - 3 points = 903cc, AlanJones, alesi95, Daisy, DNQ, f1manoz, facco, Jay, Lewis, ljakse, M Power, Maxmil, Mekola, Minardi fan, Red, RT, Spaced Invader, Speed, Spudgun, steve_r, the man
42 - 2 points = AndyF, Bononi, BootsOntheSide, D.R.T., Dani Filth, Don K, eatapc, EERO, fast95pony, Guy Goddard2, hakkiman, Lola, mr v, Powered by JPM, Ralf's Girl, SL, Spritle, Tristan, Valve Bounce
61 - 1 points = Number Juan


Current Standings after #15 round (15/09 Grand Prix of ITALY (Monza))

1 - 90 points = eatapc, Valve Bounce
3 - 87 points = Inigo Montoya
4 - 85 points = Mekola
5 - 83 points = Kenny W.
6 - 82 points = Damon
7 - 81 points = Speed
8 - 80 points = facco, Jay, Maxmil
11 - 79 points = RT
12 - 78 points = Don K, paulzinho
14 - 77 points = pb btcc, Red
16 - 76 points = mr v, mtpanorama, Tristan
19 - 75 points = f1manoz
20 - 72 points = Bononi, enemy-ace, Lola, Raven
24 - 71 points = Cougar21, Jukebox
26 - 70 points = FastJoel31, Mark F1
28 - 69 points = alesi95, Powered by JPM
30 - 68 points = senna12
31 - 67 points = AndyF, Kex, Mantis13, Toth
35 - 65 points = SL, zetta
37 - 64 points = DNQ, Ralf's Girl
39 - 63 points = BootsOntheSide, bulldogspirit, Carla O
42 - 62 points = EERO, hakkiman
44 - 61 points = AlanJones
45 - 60 points = AMoffat
46 - 59 points = D.R.T., ljakse
48 - 58 points = Daisy, racer69
50 - 56 points = con-rod
51 - 55 points = Rick, Spudgun
53 - 54 points = nicholaswhite
54 - 52 points = nameless
55 - 51 points = fastracer, M Power
57 - 47 points = Tom Fuller
58 - 46 points = Baby Spice, the man
60 - 44 points = freud
61 - 43 points = Wrex
62 - 38 points = botsquad, davebreen, Dickie Thrust
65 - 34 points = Crank Case, downforce, Spaced Invader
68 - 33 points = fast95pony, Mania, steve_r
71 - 32 points = Marshal
72 - 31 points = Lewis, ozrevhead
74 - 30 points = Guy Goddard2, RussianFriend, Spritle
77 - 27 points = Number Juan
78 - 26 points = bart_jacobs, Ed-f1
80 - 25 points = badoer fan, LucaBadoer
82 - 24 points = drexel, Ferrari Girl, Minardi fan
85 - 23 points = Splatz the Cow
86 - 21 points = nickF1, Raoul Duke
88 - 20 points = calais, mariov
90 - 19 points = kuchi, wreckless
92 - 16 points = f1truestory, freeze
94 - 15 points = JuanF, Lee Janotta
96 - 14 points = Legend
97 - 13 points = Faster, Miss Hardt, mjstallard, The Accomplice
101 - 12 points = TeddyG
102 - 11 points = BBKing, TickTag2
104 - 10 points = Matt Lucas, wheelie
106 - 9 points = 903cc, andrew_marsden, Bibendum, Dani Filth, JSC, Madman, rollhoop
113 - 8 points = Ajay, garcon
115 - 7 points = Andrew2001, Colin Mason, F1FC, Kretzman JB fan
119 - 6 points = JulianF1, Rogilio, Sonatrap, twig
123 - 5 points = Alan, aussie_f3, BD, DC2BChamp, f1canada, flyingduck, Gt_R, kwd, R_L, Schummy
133 - 4 points = bastinscully, dman007, Glen, JohnSSC, jpmontoya_fan, julesdw, MiniMe, nicker less, Peugeot #1, racing_guru, Spinner, stevie.murray, Willie the Pimp
146 - 3 points = av8rirl, Dino IV, Epsilon, Jack_fd, PoweredByHonda
151 - 2 points = DC Highlander, Fuel, GanjaGrizz, Rambo, rcwatts17, swregor
157 - 1 points = com roadrunner, Daytona Donald

[Cougar]

19 points behind with 2 races to go darn.... Cant we have a black ball thingy hehe Sore looser i know ... Thanx R! Great game you have here... One reason I come back every week

[Valve Bounce]

I made every effort not to be influenced by anyone by not accessing the prediction thread and sent my predictions in by PM. So, to my horror, albeit fortunately for this competition, when I checked the predictions after the thread was closed, I had the exact same prediction as eatapc. I'll do the same next race and post by PM, and will only access the prediction thread after it is closed. This is thet only way I can be fair and predict independantly of the other posters.

[eatapc]

Valve, I have only one word for our identical predictions: "Doh!!!" And I mean that "Doh" in every possible way Homer can utter it.

[f1manoz]

Damn, who the hell would have picked THAT race!!!!!

[Jukebox]

Damnit!!!..for the first time i forgot to vote....

[Inigo Montoya]

Well at least I made up a couple of points on the leaders!

[racer69]

Cool, equal second, my best ever.

Still no where in the standings though

[EERO]

Well so much for my theory that I should follow eatapc's guess.

[Valve Bounce]

Originally posted by Jukebox
Damnit!!!..for the first time i forgot to vote....

I have been thinking about this because many forummers go on holiday and cannot send in their predictions for whatever reason. So may I suggest to R that he makes the first prediction of the year for the Australian GP the default prediction for anyone who is unable to send in a prediction.
I say this in good faith, because I was extremely lucky to get to a PC when I was on a short holiday earlier this year.


Valve

[Maxmil]

Originally posted by Valve Bounce

So may I suggest to R that he makes the first prediction of the year for the Australian GP the default prediction for anyone who is unable to send in a prediction. Valve

I think that's a great idea Valve. I missed one race due to a computer failure and am still struggling to make it up. I run a similar game on another board, and will certainly suggest it there for next season. I told the members that at the end of the season, I would calculate all of their average scores based on the races they played and post the results which sort of accomplishes the same thing. Folks tend to drop out if they miss a race or two, and either of these ideas should keep up their interest.

[Bononi]

Well, it seems that the season is over for me already !

Eatpc and Valve's ferraris are on the way to the top...

[facco]

It seems that I get less points each race

[Number Juan]

im last

good job R, at least someone's doing a good job

[R]

Originally posted by Valve Bounce
So may I suggest to R that he makes the first prediction of the year for the Australian GP the default prediction for anyone who is unable to send in a prediction.

I hear what you're saying, but I'm not sure how this could be done in a manner which is both practical and fair.

I definitely agree that it's a shame if someone who has participated through every round should miss out just because they forgot or didn't have the opportunity to post their predictions just on one occasion.

On the other hand, I'd hate to see someone who happened to make great predictions for Melbourne, and then didn't post another prediction all year, end up winning the damn thing. That would go against the spirit of the competition.

Another thing is that the software doesn't handle "default predictions" for the time being - I have to submit the predictions for each member in each round. I have to emphasize that each and every one of you can send me your predictions several rounds ahead if you don't think you'll be able to post them when the actual thread is running. If you're able to get to a computer anyway during the week leading up to a Grand Prix, you can always change your pre-submitted predictions - at any point up to the deadline. So I think this leaves a lot of room for avoiding being "caught out", at least during a holiday, though it doesn't help if you have an unexpected computer problem, like Maxmil experienced.

I'm taking the suggestion on board and will consider whether or not this can be solved in a practical manner for next year - at the moment I don't see how, simply because I can't see how this can be done without involving too much manual work. It'll have to be automated - at least to a high degree - if it's at all to be considered.

[facco]

*suggestion for the dev whiz!
What about something reviewing who had not predicted for N round and taking the previous prediction?
ahem... my cents.

[Maxmil]

Originally posted by R


I hear what you're saying, but I'm not sure how this could be done in a manner which is both practical and fair.

I definitely agree that it's a shame if someone who has participated through every round should miss out just because they forgot or didn't have the opportunity to post their predictions just on one occasion.

On the other hand, I'd hate to see someone who happened to make great predictions for Melbourne, and then didn't post another prediction all year, end up winning the damn thing. That would go against the spirit of the competition.

I'm taking the suggestion on board and will consider whether or not this can be solved in a practical manner for next year - at the moment I don't see how, simply because I can't see how this can be done without involving too much manual work. It'll have to be automated - at least to a high degree - if it's at all to be considered.

All very good points R. Another approach would be to discard players' lowest two or three scores. This would allow for a couple of "forgets" and/or computer crashes. Don't start up something that will be a burden for you though.

[Jukebox]

I certainly agree with the idea Valve had came out with considering that i am one of those person. Now it makes me lost interest in this competition for the last two races

er...do you accept bribes R?

[Valve Bounce]

R, how about this - anyone who forgets to send in a prediction gets cars 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10 as their default prediction, with car 2 being their pole choice. This is as arbitrary as it can be and it will still help any fellow forgetting to submit his entry with a default entry. What do you think? I mean that would be fairly simple for you to enter.


Valve

[Speed]

Keep what we have...
No default predictions !

[Bononi]

Facco and Valve,

There is no problem adapting the software to accept default predicitons, which should be the last one the person made, to cover all possibilities.

But it wouldn't be fair. To post or send the prediction is part of the competition.
You can't win a race if you don't run it !

[facco]

Originally posted by Bononi
Facco and Valve,

To post or send the prediction is part of the competition.
You can't win a race if you don't run it !

I've lost a car because of this... forgot to predict when "living" at Colombia...

[Inigo Montoya]

Or we could just keep the current rules that punish those who forget. That seems the fairest thing to me. If you are going away, just PM your choices to R - like many have done.

Sorry, but if you forget to put in your choices, its noone's fault but your own.

[R]

We've discussed this in staff, and we've agreed to keep the format of submitting predictions the way it is. Though I sympathize with anyone who is unable to post predictions due to a technical mishap, this occurrence surely is the exception rather than the rule. It must be underlined that you at any time can send me your predictions in advance if you know you're going away or if you're experiencing problems - this summer, for example, someone predicted as much as 5 races ahead when they were going away.

This decision is also made with the intention of rewarding those who make an effort to participate in every round, and it's not fair to give the same opportunity to someone who for example only have posted predictions for half of the rounds. Though we appreciate the good intentions behind the suggestions, we've come to the conclusion that our current procedure is the fairest manner in which to run the competition.

[Valve Bounce]

R,Buddy, you are doing all the hard work and I respect your decision on this. Again, many thanks for all your work. I'd like to add that your competition is all that is keeping my interest in watching F1 these days.


Valve