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#17 Scott McLaughlin - Shell V Power Ford | 12 | 42.86% | |
#97 Shane Van Gisbergen - Red Bull Holden Racing Team | 16 | 57.14% | |
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24 Nov 2018, 22:02 (Ref:3865519) | #76 | |||
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Which other sports have post event investigations that effect the outcome to degree and regularity of Supercars? |
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24 Nov 2018, 22:27 (Ref:3865523) | #77 | |
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SVG loses win. 25 second penalty applied.
The replay doesn't lie. Fuel hose was still coupled when the wheels hit the deck. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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24 Nov 2018, 22:33 (Ref:3865525) | #78 | |||
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24 Nov 2018, 22:45 (Ref:3865526) | #79 | |
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Should have been delt with during the race. There was more than enough evidence and was pretty clear cut.
SVG would have had a chance to recover and could have finished better than 5th. We know his teammate would have rolled over. Scotty would have conserved more and probably taken the flag with at least a few teaspoons in the tank. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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24 Nov 2018, 22:49 (Ref:3865529) | #80 | |
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You can clearly see the air jack guy pulled the hose when the refuelling guy tugged the fuel hose to remove it. But it got stuck a bit and he had to give a second yank on it to uncouple it, by which time the car had hit the ground. Not against the intent of the rule, and no advantage gained ( could argue it cost them a second or so ), and hardly a safety issue as no other work was being done on the car. Big call, helped by an "incentive" from DJRTP?
Everybody is always going on about how Roland has got the officials in his pocket and gets away with everything. Well obviously DJRTP are giving better backhanders these days. Two meetings in a row ( this + the 5 second penalty at Pukekohe ) both when 888 have got DJRTP on the ropes. Dunno how DJRTP can loose the Championship now, and even if they do Supercars will give out some hard-arsed penalty after the race to make sure they get the win. Who's brave ( or stupid? ) enough to put money down at the TAB on anyone but #17? |
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24 Nov 2018, 22:51 (Ref:3865531) | #82 | |
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Lowndesy will do his thing again.
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24 Nov 2018, 22:59 (Ref:3865534) | #83 | ||
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Why on earth would you believe DJRTP would need to pay off officials for this blatant breach. Who decided to investigate this post race? Officials themselves, or prodded by a team. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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24 Nov 2018, 23:45 (Ref:3865541) | #84 | |
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100% should've been dealt with in the race.
Much like the wheelspin thing the other week. I'd like to see some further fine tuning of how and when suitable punishments should be applied. Given that 75% of the race hadn't been played out at that stage, it definitely should've been dealt with during the race itself. |
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24 Nov 2018, 23:49 (Ref:3865542) | #85 | |
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Well you tell me was not a word uttered about this by anyone during the race? Because it was in their interests to sit on it and then protest after the race, and most importantly have whatever penalty applied after the race when there was no chance to recover from it. They saw what happened at Pukekohe when the penalty was applied during the race…...
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24 Nov 2018, 23:55 (Ref:3865543) | #86 | ||
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Dear God. Last year's conspiracy theorists over McLaughlin losing the title were out of control. Now it seems we are in for a new batch from the other side. If you're older than 14, surely it's time to drop off the 'Roger/Roland paid off the officials' gear.
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24 Nov 2018, 23:55 (Ref:3865544) | #87 | |
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Here's one for you. When the team screws up, like they did yesterday, and the driver doesn't gain any advantage, yet a rule is broken, why can't the team be penalised / fined / team points taken away etc? and leave the driver alone? The driver didn't screw up yet he's the one that cops the pineapple for it, and you get crap like what just happened. Yes it's a team game, but you need to penalised the correct party.
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25 Nov 2018, 00:12 (Ref:3865547) | #88 | ||
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I'm a 35 year DJR fan, but I just shake my head at that penalty.
Clearly it is a breach but the penalty must be handed out during the race. It is not so much that Triple Eight should have got away for it, but trolling through footage to detect a breach has no part in sport and if the officials don't pick up a breach during the race then that's poor officialdom - do we analysis every moment of a football game to look for breaches and then apply penalties retrospectively? |
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25 Nov 2018, 00:20 (Ref:3865549) | #89 | ||
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When you are a top level team fighting for the win this is what’s always going to happen! That camera is watching every little thing the team and driver does. And in this case the punishment has been dealt a massive blow for T8. |
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25 Nov 2018, 00:27 (Ref:3865553) | #90 | |||
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And the conspiracy theorists claiming Roland has everyone on the payroll after the last race controversy - you can't deal with them. They see evidence of the conspiracy, but a lack of evidence just shows a HIDDEN conspiracy. The officials are consistently inconsistent and now they've probably handed the title to Scotty Mac when I would have liked to see a ding-dong battle on track today. But in the heat of battle, 888 did make the mistake. |
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25 Nov 2018, 00:42 (Ref:3865555) | #91 | |
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The cams investigation was interesting. Despite Dutto's initial protest of it being nothing more than a perfectly timed pitstop. 888 did not dispute the fact the wheels hit the ground, but based their argument on the term 'refuelling'.
If Scotty wins by less then 51 points, do 888 protest the penalty? They do have form in challenging championship results. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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Under any CAMS sanctioned event, yes it can happen. I know this as I am a Steward. For a lot of ppl, they do not read the cams Manual properly. It clearly states the Supercars run under their own manual. The stewards cannot , I repeat cannot charge teams drivers etc. The Clerk of the Course, the Race Director, the Driving Standards are the ones who after observing and incident, and reports from the track marshals, pitlane officials review the incidents , then decide if a breach has occurred. If you read the findings , the DRD is the one who brought the charge, no the stewards. So please understand, sometimes thing post race |
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25 Nov 2018, 01:37 (Ref:3865570) | #94 | |
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Well maybe Supercars need to change their manual than? Some things might still need to be looked at after the race ( if they happened very close to the end of the race ), but it the issue isn't raised before the chequered flag dropped, tough luck. No more bringing things up after the race.
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No, be taken out by an impetuous young charger whose moment got the better of his judgement on a very big day.
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So.... what’s going to happen this afternoon?
It’s a gorgeous day here in Newcastle. A very strong sun, and a cool breeze coming off the water Who will do the do... It is still hard to go past 888... strategy wise they should have the edge... |
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He got himself taken out by sticking his nose in a gap that wasn't really there, and was deminishing. Typical dirty racer that he is, and it ended up costing Scotty the Championship. Can't wait to see the back of Lowndes. Good bye and good riddance.
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25 Nov 2018, 03:35 (Ref:3865595) | #99 | ||
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Reynolds on pole with SVG directly behind and Scotty in 2nd on the clean side. Does Reynolds still hold a grudge over PI 2015? Not saying Reynolds would do anything untoward, but I'm tipping he'll play for sheep stations with SVG. Far from settled. Anyone's race. SVG still has a massive chance. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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Unless something odd happens.... it’s decided...
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