Group A Ford Sierra RS500

[Jesper OH]

Ups! Yes, you're right stef74.

Your chassis numbers imply that Eggenberger build new chassis for the 24 hour races at Nürburgring and Spa-Francorchamps, then?

Jesper

[William Dale Jr]

Originally Posted by KA

So the history of the 1988 Rouse cars is:

4 cars-
2x Kaliber BTCC cars for Rouse and Guy Edwards. The Rouse car going to Brock for '89. The Edwards car goes where?

Well, I think I might just have an answer for that now! Now, we know that the '88 Rouse car was sold to Peter Brock. We also know that Rouse took one car to Macau in '88 (http://photo.163.com/photos/tcd1388/2378874/28409515/). This is likely to have been the '88 Edwards car.

I think this car stayed in Asia after this race. A car bearing a near-identical livery with the same dark-blue-interior-with-grey-rollcage appears at Macau in 1989 (#6, driven by Gio Fan). The review video shows it exiting the race by crashing nose-first into the barriers.

The only other record I can find of what I believe to be the '88 Edwards car is - oddly enough - at Bathurst in 1992! Recently unearthed copies of Auto Action suggest that the #36 car (Ent: Rod Jones, Drv: Ken Mathews / Rod Jones / Mike Newton) was an ex-Rouse brought across from Asia. The livery of that car bore the same dark blue/white base scheme of the Kaliber cars. Coincidence? I think not.

[KA]

Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

Well, I think I might just have an answer for that now! Now, we know that the '88 Rouse car was sold to Peter Brock. We also know that Rouse took one car to Macau in '88 (http://photo.163.com/photos/tcd1388/2378874/28409515/). This is likely to have been the '88 Edwards car.

I think this car stayed in Asia after this race. A car bearing a near-identical livery with the same dark-blue-interior-with-grey-rollcage appears at Macau in 1989 (#6, driven by Gio Fan). The review video shows it exiting the race by crashing nose-first into the barriers.

The only other record I can find of what I believe to be the '88 Edwards car is - oddly enough - at Bathurst in 1992! Recently unearthed copies of Auto Action suggest that the #36 car (Ent: Rod Jones, Drv: Ken Mathews / Rod Jones / Mike Newton) was an ex-Rouse brought across from Asia. The livery of that car bore the same dark blue/white base scheme of the Kaliber cars. Coincidence? I think not.

That's a great find William- some really interesting pics on there apart from the Rouse Sierra- a nice shot of the Obect T/Trampio car
http://photo.163.com/photos/tcd1388/...9515/#60772273

[banger_racer]

Was'nt Edwards car badly damaged at a BTCC round, in practice i think.
There is a small piece about it in review video.
Sorry if this has already been covered its been a while since i read this thread.

[KA]

Originally Posted by banger_racer

Was'nt Edwards car badly damaged at a BTCC round, in practice i think.
There is a small piece about it in review video.
Sorry if this has already been covered its been a while since i read this thread.

I think you're right- I'm sure there was a fairly big practice shunt for Edwards at some point that year- I don't know which round though.

[banger_racer]

Would that car have been repaired/reshelled or did he get a new car?
I think it was Thruxton.

[KA]

Just had a look through more of the albums on the site William linked to- one or two more Sierras, including an unfamiliar one:

http://photo.163.com/photos/tcd1388/2378870/28409170/

http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...7%20Macau.html suggests at least two Sierras at Macau in 87- for Albert Poon (car no 11) and Chan Chi Wah- is this the latter? It appears to be a Cosworth rather than an RS500 though.

1989 saw a 1-2 for Rouse with a pair of cars for himself and Tim Harvey.
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...9%20Macau.html

Harvey: in Watson's colours
http://photo.163.com/photos/tcd1388/2378881/60834368/
http://photo.163.com/photos/tcd1388/...4368/#28409834 (with the
Trampio car in the background)

Rouse, in Hutchison Telecom colours
http://photo.163.com/photos/tcd1388/...4368/#28410092

[KA]

Originally Posted by banger_racer

Would that car have been repaired/reshelled or did he get a new car?
I think it was Thruxton.

no idea- I've got some 1988 results, but they're very incomplete, and I don't have that season's Autosports to hand. Anyone know any more? I'm tempted to agree with you about Thruxton though...

[SteveMc]

Hi All new to the 10/10ths forums..hope you dont mind me jumping here..

If I remember right the Edwards car clipped an Astra going through the Cambell / Cobb section at Thruxton in Qually and went off backwards heavilly into the bank, made a right old mess of the car as well..

Take it easy
Steve

[banger_racer]

I think you could mean the Gravett car when he clipped a Toyota.
The Edwards car was definatly front end damage, in the review video something was mentioned about him harpooning someone.
Iam sure KA will be along to correct me if iam wrong.

[banger_racer]

You could be right steve, i just thought it was another RS500 he hit.
In the footage shown the rear was covered up so was hard to tell if it was damaged.

[KA]

Originally Posted by KA

http://photo.163.com/photos/tcd1388/2378870/28409170/

http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...7%20Macau.html suggests at least two Sierras at Macau in 87- for Albert Poon (car no 11) and Chan Chi Wah- is this the latter? It appears to be a Cosworth rather than an RS500 though.

Looks like it's actually the Albert Poon car- the driver's name on the door is a bit of a giveaway if I'd noticed it before....

Originally Posted by banger_racer

I think you could mean the Gravett car when he clipped a Toyota.
The Edwards car was definatly front end damage, in the review video something was mentioned about him harpooning someone.
Iam sure KA will be along to correct me if iam wrong.

That sounds like the Gravett/Dowsett incident all right. I can't shed any more light on the Edwards shunt though- I reckon you're right about it being Thruxton, but I can't remember anything else

[SteveMc]

Banger...

Take it all back - you are spot on, it was Gravett I am thinking of.

Have fun..

[VIVA GT]

I have saved the video of this race here:
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...onBTCC1989.flv
It's the whole race coverage so quite long, but shows the Gravett / Dowsett incident (and many others) clearly.

[SteveMc]

Not directly on topic, but, on my way home from Portsmouth on Wednesday evening, I passed a Labatts BTCC RS500 on the back of a trailer (it was, not me ).

Not sure if it was the real deal as it was heading the other way on the other side of the A3 and the closing speed was around 140 MPH, but it looked the business.

Ta
Steve

[GBRM]

Originally Posted by SteveMc

Not directly on topic, but, on my way home from Portsmouth on Wednesday evening, I passed a Labatts BTCC RS500 on the back of a trailer (it was, not me ).

Not sure if it was the real deal as it was heading the other way on the other side of the A3 and the closing speed was around 140 MPH, but it looked the business.

Ta
Steve

Could you see if it had a broken windscreen?

[KA]

There's a Marlboro-liveried car with 'Wolf Racing' stickers in the Lany Sportscar Museum near Prague.

They've got a number of touring cars, including Group A BMW 635CSi, TWR XJS, Corolla GT, and a Supertouring Mondeo. Apart from the Jag, all of the others seem to be associated with Antonin Charouz.

Any know any history on this Sierra? website just says it's prepared to Group A for racing and hilclimbs....
http://www.auto-muzeum.cz/?page=en,ford-sierra-cosworth

[banger_racer]

Could that be a ex-rally car. Didnt Carlos Sainz drive a Marlboro-liveried rally Sierra The wheels look like one's used on sierra rally cars.

[KA]

Originally Posted by banger_racer

Could that be a ex-rally car. Didnt Carlos Sainz drive a Marlboro-liveried rally Sierra The wheels look like one's used on sierra rally cars.

Maybe- though I don't recall Ford ever using wheels with centre lock nuts on rallycars- just normal 5-stud fittings. It's definitely got RS500 spoilers as far as I can see.

I've had a bit of a search on Google, and Antonin Charouz appears to have been using a Wolf Cosworth in the European Hillclimb Championship around 1991/2 which seems to fit with what's on the museum website- Charouz certainly had Marlboro sponsorship on his ETCC Corolla a few years before- there's one of those in the same collection

[banger_racer]

I stand corrected.

[chunterer]

I didn't know there was a Marlboro backed car hillclimbing!!

Another Marlboro liveried car was the one in Holland that was raced by Bolderhey and Hin in 1988 which I think I mentioned earlier in the thread. No idea who prepared that car though?

OT, that XJS in the museum is an original '82 car but painted up in late colours?

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by chunterer

I didn't know there was a Marlboro backed car hillclimbing!!

Another Marlboro liveried car was the one in Holland that was raced by Bolderhey and Hin in 1988 which I think I mentioned earlier in the thread. No idea who prepared that car though?

OT, that XJS in the museum is an original '82 car but painted up in late colours?

If I remember correctly, the Dutch Marlboro sponsored RS500 was an Andy Rouse prepared car (it certainly was in 1987)...

[chunterer]

Thanks VIVA, can you remember if it was a new build, or sold used and reliveried over there?

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Thanks VIVA, can you remember if it was a new build, or sold used and reliveried over there?

When I saw the car at Zandvoort it was early in the 1987 season (and being tested / set up by Mr Andy Rouse himself). I guess therefore that it was a new build Group A Cosworth (either built by ARE or supplied by them as a kit). I expect that the same car was then upgraded to RS500 specification later in the year once the homologation date was reached.
I think I've got pictures of the car somewhere, but they'll take some finding (as they're probably covered in 21 years worth of dust!)

[KA]

Bolderhey did the 1987 TT in a Cosworth shared with Allard Kalff- presumably the same car?