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10 | 9 | 24.32% | |
9 | 12 | 32.43% | |
8 | 7 | 18.92% | |
7 | 3 | 8.11% | |
6 | 3 | 8.11% | |
5 | 1 | 2.70% | |
4 | 0 | 0% | |
3 | 0 | 0% | |
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16 Nov 2020, 10:53 (Ref:4017206) | #26 | |||
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I know a lot of people watch F1 (in part) for the spectacle of cars being at the limit of performance and pushing the boundaries of what is possible. In other threads (and not to rake over the arguments) people criticise races when the result is about 'managing' something. Whether that is the life of the tyres, or the fuel saving etc. Many put forward the case that they want drivers to be at 100% at all times. The conditions this weekend meant that it was a very difficult situation to drive under, and many were having to give 100%, but in a different way. Is short-shifting and cornering wide from the apex more fun to watch because it is done due to track conditions, as opposed to fuel-saving and tyre preservation? As an exception to the normal I would say yes - but as a standard way to drive an F1 car then I would say no. |
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I think it was that which caught Leclerc out on the final lap, he was too quick through the back straight through 11 into 12, so due to other cars ended up slightly out of position for 12, missed the braking point for both 12 and 13 by a country mile and lost the podium as a result. That said - when Hamilton was on the radio during his stint following Vettel you could see how much his car was affected by the wake wash off the Ferrari. Every time he moved out from behind it, the car perceptibly slowed or looked twitchy. Aerodynamics, huh? |
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16 Nov 2020, 13:53 (Ref:4017258) | #28 | |||
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Whenever we get tyres that don’t last, rain, resurfaced tracks, old tracks, new tracks, double races, short weekends, etc... it is brilliants. Admittedly if we had one of these every weekend it was cease to be interesting and fun eventually as it would be repetitive and the teams would get a handle on it all. Change things round and at short notice to keep everyone on their toes. So everyone, this weekend you have to run soft on the front and hard on the back. Or we’ll tell you where the race is this weekend when we get to the airport. |
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Whisk the teams onto mystery planes each race weekend.
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That would certainly stir things up a bit! Although it would be harder for fans going to events not knowing what GP is next! Seriously though if we could cut more downforce and not let technology overtake the drivers, as it has in the past, we would be fine and we wouldn’t necessarily need a crazy race to keep our interest
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16 Nov 2020, 16:18 (Ref:4017282) | #34 | |
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The trouble is, we have cars that could drive on the ceiling at 100 mph and all the FIA does is occasionally mumble about reducing downforce by 10%. Then they introduce some rule that reduces it by 5% and within next to no time the teams have added a few more twiddly bits and have more downforce than before. No wings: that would be the solution (or a start, at least).
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All it needs is someone like Raikkonen to get back up there and we’ll see someone who won’t care about following a Merc, he’ll just get up in the lead when he can. Then we’d have a proper race
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18 Nov 2020, 19:21 (Ref:4017743) | #38 | ||
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For the 2022 regs the team did look at many different configurations, including tiny and no wings. The final draft has a large simple rear wing as its function is to toss the following aero wake upwards, no wing just pours the wake on the following car. 2022 is going to be very very interesting. Finally FOM/FIA have completed a detailed analysis to try to understand the “following” issue that has plagued F1 for 25 years and produced regs to attempt to fix it. |
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19 Nov 2020, 11:53 (Ref:4017848) | #39 | |
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Overall I rated the race a 6. Not the best race, but a nice change from the norm due to the conditions
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Everything after 'F1 is' is merely opinion. Everyone has their own idea of what F1 is, but MINE is the only correct one! But seriously, there's some seriously flawed logic and grasp of aerodynamics in that post. |
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Doesn't the wake from the car in front prevent the car following, from getting closer?
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Yes and it's been a problem for too long, made even worse by the ingenious idea to increase the downforce on cars in 2017
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https://www.mclaren.com/racing/f1-playbook/dirty-air/
As air passes over a Formula 1 car’s surfaces it produces a wake of turbulent air that hampers the aerodynamic flow of cars directly behind it. This wake – nicknamed ‘dirty air’ – can be of benefit to a following car on the straight, as the car in front is effectively punching a hole in the air and doing more work. Dirty air does, however, hamper the efficiency of the following car’s own aerodynamic surfaces, reducing downforce, making it slower in the turns, and limiting the effectiveness of the cooling system. |
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So the main problem I had with that post was the idea that no wings would prevent closer racing. While its the exact opposite, as the relative lack of wake/dirty air would allow cars to follow eachother more closely in cornering.
No wing would be "pouring the wake onto the car"??? It just made no sense at all. |
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Back on topic, I hope the Turkish GP is included in next year's calendar, as it is probably the best Tilkedrome and does produce a good race. |
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