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Old 1 May 2017, 09:04 (Ref:3730297)   #101
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There are no guarantees in Formula 1. Remember Peugeot dominating the WSC then sputtering out in F1 with a succession of teams?
And then they went back to the WRC and started winning in that almost immediately
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Old 1 May 2017, 10:40 (Ref:3730318)   #102
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With McLaren gearboxes & drivetrains...
That makes a great deal of sense. There is quite a bit of speculation that part of the issue is power unit and transmission integration (with some unexpected consequences). Two teams running the same combination allows double the miles for everything plus they only have to debug and make one combo work.

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I think it's excellent for Honda to have a second team on the grid, especially if they're running the same powertrain and transmission (what we used to call engine & gearbox!).
When this was first announced I was going to be flippant and say that this should save Sauber a fortune as they'll not be needing anywhere near as many tyres, but with foresight (we're only just into the season), I'd expect Honda to have made things far more durable by this time next year.
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Honda just aren't clowns, guys. They are a serious company whatever rut they might be in atm. They are gonna break out of that rut and I'm glad they are showing a renewed commitment to the sport with this move. Nice to see Sauber get something tangible bedded in for the future as well. And it is tangible.
We are in the 3rd year of watching this bloody mess. It is a bloody mess.

Honda got their lumps to run reliable for a full day of testing a week or two ago, yet can't get their poster boy to even line up on the grid without a major infarction.

Having the boss of the program say 'I'm sorry' a million times doesn't actually help get the cars competitive
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That makes a great deal of sense. There is quite a bit of speculation that part of the issue is power unit and transmission integration (with some unexpected consequences). Two teams running the same combination allows double the miles for everything plus they only have to debug and make one combo work.

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I'd be amazed if Matsushita wasn't part of any Sauber Honda deal
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Old 9 May 2017, 15:53 (Ref:3732493)   #107
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Monisha Kaltenborn says Sauber are "open to anything" in their relationship with Honda. Suggests to me Matsushita might be in one of the seats next year.
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Old 9 May 2017, 16:06 (Ref:3732500)   #108
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Monisha Kaltenborn says Sauber are "open to anything" in their relationship with Honda. Suggests to me Matsushita might be in one of the seats next year.
I reckon she thinks that Sauber are in the £ seats now with Honda and their ratecard for anything will be a lot less than McLaren, you would imagine.
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Old 9 May 2017, 16:09 (Ref:3732501)   #109
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Honda might find the Hinwil facilities an attractive prospect for a deeper relationship. But so long as their engine remains a useless lump, it's all to little avail for Sauber.
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Old 10 May 2017, 11:10 (Ref:3732643)   #110
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I just hope Sauber doesn't sell to Honda like they did with BMW.
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Old 10 May 2017, 11:28 (Ref:3732645)   #111
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Gary Anderson makes a good point that now that Haas are the Ferrari B team, Sauber don't have the treatment anymore, so would probably be better off with Honda
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Old 10 May 2017, 12:45 (Ref:3732654)   #112
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MTV's F1 expert Ossi Oikarinen said that Honda could buy part of the Sauber team.
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Betting on Sauber for a world championship with a random engine after Honda pull out seems like a good bet.
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Ha! I had to Google this. In this case, MTV is a Finnish TV station. If it was MTV of music video fame, that would have been interesting. I want my MTV!

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Ha! I had to Google this. In this case, MTV is a Finnish TV station. If it was MTV of music video fame, that would have been interesting. I want my MTV!



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So the Finnish one is about music about as much as the American one
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So the Finnish one is about music about as much as the American one
Yeah, well I was a teen right when MTV went mainstream. So I remember the "vintage" version. I haven't watched it in decades. I am sure it's all reality shows these days!

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McLaren & Honda To Split

Makes Sauber the works Honda team, if true.

Means a complete new mindset on drivers at Sauber surely. They would have to be in the active market for a proven brand name!

Hope it's true. McLaren will always survive, Sauber is much more fragile
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Even if it's true, which I seriously doubt, which front-running driver would go to Sauber? At a pinch, maybe Pérez, but he's unproven.
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I reckon Perez to Ferrari to replace KR in 18. For a complete long shot I am going with Sainz at Sauber 2018 still with WEH and Honda protege as 3rd driver.

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