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Old 19 Jan 2019, 02:18 (Ref:3877108)   #1
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Sending cars overseas - rule limitations?

In this story here

https://www.supercars.com/news/champ...ughlin-falcon/

It says "A primary consideration, though, is restrictions within the Supercars rulebook about sending cars overseas."

I had a quick look at the rulebook, but either missed it or not looking in the right section. What is the limitation on sending cars overseas? Fair enough if it was current, but seems kind of ridiculous seeing it's no longer a current spec car?

Next they'll be writing rules on what colour jocks you can wear and what your nextdoor neighbour can have for breakfast.
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Old 19 Jan 2019, 02:20 (Ref:3877109)   #2
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The car is now deregistered.

Will never race here, or anywhere else again.

That's the rule REC owners signed up for.
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Old 19 Jan 2019, 04:08 (Ref:3877118)   #3
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Ahhhh but will it go singing & dancing an the Penske 7 post shaker rig?
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Old 19 Jan 2019, 04:49 (Ref:3877120)   #4
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Ahhhh but will it go singing & dancing an the Penske 7 post shaker rig?
It's a very good question. It doesn't need a Mustang body over it.

I can only imagine the bleating if Roland did something like this.
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Old 19 Jan 2019, 05:47 (Ref:3877124)   #5
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Didn't a couple Volvos find their way overseas?
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Old 19 Jan 2019, 06:03 (Ref:3877125)   #6
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I believe a BJR car has, as well.
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Old 19 Jan 2019, 06:05 (Ref:3877126)   #7
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I believe a BJR car has, as well.
And a couple of old Walkinshaw/Dencar Commodores as well. They're now based in the UK.
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Old 19 Jan 2019, 06:21 (Ref:3877128)   #8
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I think the concern/gripe (not sure) is around the COTF chassis, which Supercars has the IP to.
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Old 19 Jan 2019, 08:30 (Ref:3877146)   #9
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Ahhhh but will it go singing & dancing an the Penske 7 post shaker rig?
Given Penske's vast resources. Who's to say they didn't just build one from scratch, instead of going through the hoops of getting one out of Oz?

Likewise with WAU and 888's resources and international contacts....

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Old 19 Jan 2019, 11:18 (Ref:3877172)   #10
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I think the concern/gripe (not sure) is around the COTF chassis, which Supercars has the IP to.
I would like to think that the exposure that the car would get in the Penske Museum / complex, with many thousands of visitors each year, many of them perhaps currently unaware VASC even exists, would be a huge benefit to VASC with an increased international following, increased US TV viewers etc potentially the result. Surely the benefits would far outweigh any downsides.
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Old 20 Jan 2019, 00:29 (Ref:3877231)   #11
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Given Penske's vast resources. Who's to say they didn't just build one from scratch, instead of going through the hoops of getting one out of Oz?
If memory serves, a team (BJR?) was fined 10-15 years ago for starting to construct a new chassis without having filled out the correct paperwork with VESA.

Penske offered the category their services, to use their robots to build basic shells at a very cheap price, but was quickly rejected. They prefer Australian made.

Zak Brown has the ex-WR winning Bathurst car in Europe, T8 have sold a couple of cars to Asia (Thailand?). Plenty of ex-Supercars around the world.
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Old 20 Jan 2019, 03:16 (Ref:3877245)   #12
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How many of them are freshly off a championship win?
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Old 20 Jan 2019, 03:37 (Ref:3877246)   #13
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The main problem I can see is that Penske has the possibility of tearing down a current generation car and make a few unfair advantages with their resources outside Aus. (Such as wind tunnel testing)
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Old 20 Jan 2019, 04:22 (Ref:3877247)   #14
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Old 20 Jan 2019, 04:44 (Ref:3877249)   #15
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But what is going to stop the Penske part of DJR-Team Penske ripping off the FGX panels and bolting on Mustang panels? (Under the guise of pulling the chassis off the display for "restoration" or "servicing", ripping off FGX panels and putting on Mustang bodywork and then do out of rules testing with Supercars/CAMS not doing a thing since technically it's no longer a registered Supercar)
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If it doesn't go on display in the museum you might raise red flags, but there are clearly other cars overseas. I agree this is possible but fairly unlikely. With teams making money selling cars to collectors it would be too easy for one to go OS​ if someone really wanted to.

You would be right in offering the assertion though that Penske have done some special stuff they would have known they were not supposed to in the past.

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Old 20 Jan 2019, 04:53 (Ref:3877251)   #17
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They can't do anything too crazy.

The scrutineers still use body templates...
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Does anyone remember they got busted soon after the sale, or before the finalisation of the sale, putting a car into a container to head over??

I think they're trying to play a straight bat and have management give them the thumbs up to say that the car can leave the country and not face the likes of a Roland tantrum about it....

Let's face it, there's nothing to stop the likes of T8, Penske and WAU of building one of these chassis in an overseas location and no one finding out about it. I'm sure a fabricator wouldn't mind an all expenses paid holiday o/s for a couple of weeks to weld up a chassis...
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Apart from putting cars on shaker rigs and into wind tunnels, what else can they do?

The cars are all near enough to identical now, that anything out of the ordinary is going to stick out like a sore thumb.
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Apart from putting cars on shaker rigs and into wind tunnels, what else can they do?
They could potentially come up with a demon tweak in the shocks which could make all the difference I guess...
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Old 21 Jan 2019, 05:35 (Ref:3877445)   #21
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Very interesting discussion. Didn't BJR only just sell a cotf to some pom? I guess optics matter. No one is worried about BJRs overseas facilities/capabilities lol.
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The car is now deregistered.

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That's the rule REC owners signed up for.
Deregistered with who? Cams? Supercars? I've seen plenty of old Supercars over in NZ racing, they would have been deregistered with Supercars, no? What about the one P Morris took to the Nurburgring 24 hour race? Just cos it's deregistered with Supercars / Cams doesn't mean it won't, or can't, race again. Maybe for sentimental reasons it won't race again, but legally / technically it can race again.
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Not my rules.

If they're deregistered, they can't participate in a sanctioned Supercars event.

It's only the COTF chassis that are of concern, as they're the current spec. The IP to them belongs to Supercars, hence why they all have their own individual Supercars-issued chassis number.
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Not my rules.

If they're deregistered, they can't participate in a sanctioned Supercars event.
Surely if they are wanted to be raced overseas they would not be in a Supercars sanctioned event, rather an MSA or other overseas version of CAMS event.
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Surely if they are wanted to be raced overseas they would not be in a Supercars sanctioned event, rather an MSA or other overseas version of CAMS event.
The flip side of that is if a car that is still registered operates outside of a Supercars event, then the team it is registered to will be punished.
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