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F1Guy · 28 Apr 2018, 00:14 (Ref:3817808)

FOM attempts to hide the halo on TV....

https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/17929

Sorry FOM, didn't work! 4 rounds in and the halo is still an abomination. And will look even worse when it turns into a rear wing mirror bracket.

fourWheelDrift · 28 Apr 2018, 09:27 (Ref:3817860)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

FOM attempts to hide the halo on TV....

https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/17929

Sorry FOM, didn't work! 4 rounds in and the halo is still an abomination. And will look even worse when it turns into a rear wing mirror bracket.

To hear people on this forum I'm the only one who has no problem with the halo. I do however think that graphic is hideous.

S griffin · 28 Apr 2018, 11:05 (Ref:3817870)

At last the halo has a use!

Mike Bell · 28 Apr 2018, 11:16 (Ref:3817872)

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At last the halo has a use!

That was my first thought. And the fact that the gear info and speed is right in the viewers vision makes it easy to read. IMHO- good move.

And I can’t see fitting the mirror supports to the halo as a big deal either.

**Adam43** · 28 Apr 2018, 11:47 (Ref:3817877)

I didn’t like the graphic. It would have been better in a simple box. More useful.

As for it being an attempt to hide the halo. Clearly not. It highlights it. It was just an attempt to use the space. Nice idea. I didn’t think it worked, but it’s no more than using the space on the screen.

I notice it in those shots, but my natural interest in how the car is behaving and the steering inputs takes off. My inherent interest in F1 is watching it to enjoy not be outraged.

I would get rid of it still, but I am hardly noticing it in normal racing shots.

Skam85 · 29 Apr 2018, 04:31 (Ref:3817990)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

I didn’t like the graphic. It would have been better in a simple box. More useful.

As for it being an attempt to hide the halo. Clearly not. It highlights it. It was just an attempt to use the space. Nice idea. I didn’t think it worked, but it’s no more than using the space on the screen.

I notice it in those shots, but my natural interest in how the car is behaving and the steering inputs takes off. My inherent interest in F1 is watching it to enjoy not be outraged.

I would get rid of it still, but I am hardly noticing it in normal racing shots.

Agreed. I’ve moved on. It’s part of F1 now and I choose to enjoy F1 regardless. I barely notice it anymore.

Had Gasly crashed in qualy, we may have had a very unwelcome demonstration on how well the halo works....

F1Guy · 10 May 2018, 10:46 (Ref:3821243)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

4 rounds in and the halo is still an abomination. And will look even worse when it turns into a rear wing mirror bracket.

And hear we are. The UGLY has now turned into FUGLY!

F1Guy · 10 May 2018, 11:00 (Ref:3821245)

The reason for Vettel's 'almost a lap' evaluation of the shield is pretty evident now isn't it? Only one team sought permission from the FiA to mount the mirrors to the halo. Guess which team?

S griffin · 10 May 2018, 11:32 (Ref:3821253)

The mirrors are the right thing, if we have to have the halo

Mike Harte · 10 May 2018, 11:34 (Ref:3821255)

Did the scrutineers make them remove the furry dice?

**ScotsBrutesFan** · 10 May 2018, 14:31 (Ref:3821286)

The mirrors I can just about live with placing them off the halo makes some sort of sense. It’s the addition aero piece/wing above it coming off the halo that I really don’t want to see.

chillibowl · 10 May 2018, 15:55 (Ref:3821307)

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Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Did the scrutineers make them remove the furry dice?

Nice one Mike!

Mike Harte · 10 May 2018, 16:00 (Ref:3821309)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

Nice one Mike!

Satisfying to know that at least one other person appreciates my humour!

Richard C · 10 May 2018, 17:37 (Ref:3821334)

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Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

The mirrors I can just about live with placing them off the halo makes some sort of sense. It’s the addition aero piece/wing above it coming off the halo that I really don’t want to see.

I agree. I don't know how the rules are worded around the addition of anything to the halo is worded. I would think it should have been pretty tight. I would hate to see the start of an "halo appendage" arms race.

Richard

**bjohnsonsmith** · 10 May 2018, 18:48 (Ref:3821353)

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Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

The mirrors I can just about live with placing them off the halo makes some sort of sense. It’s the addition aero piece/wing above it coming off the halo that I really don’t want to see.

Maybe it was the additional piece/wing, Ferrari were after all along?

**Aysedasi** · 10 May 2018, 21:26 (Ref:3821393)

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Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Did the scrutineers make them remove the furry dice?

Perhaps not.....

S griffin · 10 May 2018, 21:27 (Ref:3821394)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Maybe it was the additional piece/wing, Ferrari were after all along?

At least there is some ingenuity with the way the teams present their halos

Matt · 11 May 2018, 00:39 (Ref:3821414)

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Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

The mirrors I can just about live with placing them off the halo makes some sort of sense. It’s the addition aero piece/wing above it coming off the halo that I really don’t want to see.

It's not coming off the Halo!

It's sprouting off the stalk for the mirror, so it's probably super legal.

**ScotsBrutesFan** · 11 May 2018, 09:02 (Ref:3821463)

No doubt that is the designers mindset. As far as I'm concerned these things need to be snipped off, and the thought of any similar structures be nipped in the bud.

F1Guy · 12 May 2018, 12:16 (Ref:3821683)

So Ferrari's halo mounted wing mirror / winglet combination has been deemed as illegal. But they're still allowed to race with them in Spain? I would have thought if deemed illegal an immediate change would be required?

Then again, Ferrari raced with an flexing floor for the first half of 2017, and then after being requested by the FiA, had to strengthen/modify the area in question from the 2017 Austrian GP onwards. Again, why were they allowed to race with illegal parts in the first place?

Akrapovic · 12 May 2018, 12:26 (Ref:3821685)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

So Ferrari's halo mounted wing mirror / winglet combination has been deemed as illegal. But they're still allowed to race with them in Spain? I would have thought if deemed illegal an immediate change would be required?

Then again, Ferrari raced with an flexing floor for the first half of 2017, and then after being requested by the FiA, had to strengthen/modify the area in question from the 2017 Austrian GP onwards. Again, why were they allowed to race with illegal parts in the first place?

Because it's not actually illegal. It has been argued it is a mounting system, which is not covered by the regulations. By the letter of the law it is legal. However, as with things like the X-Wings, the FIA reserves the right to make changes at any time. So this loophole will not be allowed at the next race.

**Adam43** · 12 May 2018, 12:29 (Ref:3821686)

It's a pragmatic approach. Rules can be interpreted. Sometimes (mostly?) there needs to be a clarification and it is the clarification that stops teams using it.

This has been the way with F1 for years now and not just with Ferrari.

Quite sensible really.

Mike Harte · 12 May 2018, 13:31 (Ref:3821698)

Yes, but Ferrari does seem to often "get away" with such things, if only for a limited period.

One such episode was when Schumacher, I think it was, won a race and during post race scrutineering, it was found that at least one of the barge boards was larger than permitted and therefore outside of the rules.

Even though the matter was passed to the Stewards of the meeting, they decided that the results of the race should be allowed to stand, and from memory, no penalties were handed down.

I remain convinced to this day that if that had happened with any other team then that the car would have been disqualified.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 12 May 2018, 13:37 (Ref:3821700)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

So Ferrari's halo mounted wing mirror / winglet combination has been deemed as illegal. But they're still allowed to race with them in Spain? I would have thought if deemed illegal an immediate change would be required?

Then again, Ferrari raced with an flexing floor for the first half of 2017, and then after being requested by the FiA, had to strengthen/modify the area in question from the 2017 Austrian GP onwards. Again, why were they allowed to race with illegal parts in the first place?

If it is deemed illegal, that's an absolute travesty. Might as well tear up the rule book.

Akrapovic · 12 May 2018, 13:38 (Ref:3821701)

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Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Yes, but Ferrari does seem to often "get away" with such things, if only for a limited period.

One such episode was when Schumacher, I think it was, won a race and during post race scrutineering, it was found that at least one of the barge boards was larger than permitted and therefore outside of the rules.

Even though the matter was passed to the Stewards of the meeting, they decided that the results of the race should be allowed to stand, and from memory, no penalties were handed down.

I remain convinced to this day that if that had happened with any other team then that the car would have been disqualified.

1999 Sepang. Schumachers first race back from his broken leg. Both Ferraris were illegal. It was Irvine who won the race after Schumacher moved over. Both cars were disqualified and later reinstated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Malaysian_Grand_Prix

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