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10 Sep 2002, 13:47 (Ref:377413)
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Power hike for F3
I read in Autosport that Formula 3 was going to get more power from 2004 (I think). They said it was to bring it closer to F3000. Whats everyone's opinion. As long as they don't increase aerodynamic grip aswell we might see a bit more overtaking (hopefully).
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10 Sep 2002, 15:51 (Ref:377479)
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Would that increase the cost at all?
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10 Sep 2002, 16:06 (Ref:377484)
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I dont beleive so, they're just changing the size of the air restrictors. F3 engines make a decent amount of power as it is, its just being choked down.
Just watch any race where someone loses an air restrictor. |
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10 Sep 2002, 17:42 (Ref:377530)
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apparently not happening till 2005 now but will be good - they should make the F3 races longer too or maybe just have one 20 lap race and one 35 lap race each race weekend.
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11 Sep 2002, 11:45 (Ref:377904)
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I don't like F3 cars at all. In my opinion they produce way too much downforce and not enough power. The drivers can get away with serious mistakes, because of the downforce. I am not sure what to do, but either put more horsepower into the engines or take some wing off the cars. Of course this is just my personal opinion.
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11 Sep 2002, 18:47 (Ref:378167)
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More power is definitely what they need. Will encourage finesse, not just the Sato-like banzai approach. Why don't they just take the restrictors out? You don't need to change anything then .. can be effective next year?
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11 Sep 2002, 20:11 (Ref:378240)
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actually low power high grip encourages finesse because you cant afford to kill your momentum.
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11 Sep 2002, 21:24 (Ref:378305)
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Quite right Russf. F3 would definitely be better with more power - and with the B cars running to the same FIA regs so they wouldnt be getting in the way of the A's race.
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11 Sep 2002, 21:27 (Ref:378307)
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It was originally going to happen for this year but the engine builders all vetoed it - except Honda - because their engines wouldnt take the stress. The Mugen Honda is a 2.2 engine sized down so plenty of strength in the block.
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12 Sep 2002, 08:18 (Ref:378543)
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We will see what is going to happen. You are right Russfelt, it is very hard to drive an F3 car fast because of the momentum; however, this requires a different type of driving then the bigger series. This is the reason that some good F3 drivers just cannot adopt well to F3000 of F1. I believe that is the problem with Sato, he tries to push an F1 car like it was an F3 car, if he gets used to the difference he should be all right. All right does not mean great of even good :-))).
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15 Sep 2002, 20:47 (Ref:380963)
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If you have a lot of power and not much grip you can power out of mistakes. other way round and the car bogs and you loose heaps of time! |
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15 Sep 2002, 20:52 (Ref:380966)
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anyway its the first ive heard of it! i cant see them getting anywhere near the power of an f3000. due to the engine size. and i very much doubt they would do anything other than open up the restricter because the engine suppliers are just bringing out new engines (well opel is.)
and its a big thing to change!! I do think they are under-powered though! |
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16 Sep 2002, 10:03 (Ref:381398)
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The power hike was only going to be about an extra 20-30bhp, I reckon, and yes, that would be done through the air restrictor.
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16 Sep 2002, 12:11 (Ref:381480)
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Ok flange you must be right. However, I think I said that it is very hard to drive on F3 car fast. At least for me, it was much easier to drive on old F3000 car than on old F3 car, but to crash on F3 car is much harder than to crash on F3000 car. This is what I meant. I am sure that we billies don't know half of what you know about racing. I promise you that I will pay attention to your posts and learn everything. cheers
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16 Sep 2002, 12:56 (Ref:381517)
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I don't know, Flange makes crashing an F3 car look pretty easy...
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12 Oct 2002, 12:22 (Ref:401994)
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I can crash anything well!!!! my team mate at the start of the year drove f3000 and he recond that the f3 was too easy to spin! but crashing is different to spinning and i fail to see the importance of how easy it is to crash a car!
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15 Oct 2002, 07:41 (Ref:404513)
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I think that it is a good idea, more power for no real cost increase.
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