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10 Dec 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3869175) | #6151 | ||
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If arakis was still here, he too might've joined... even though his purist allegiances were with GT(2) and the sad story associated with it, it's my assumption that he too hasn't particularly enjoyed these new 'advancements' in top classes recently But alas, without money and power there is no influence factor, so there's not much to do |
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10 Dec 2018, 22:34 (Ref:3869301) | #6153 | |
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We're pretty happy with the rules. Interestingly they are pretty close to our 003C now aero/size/weight wise. We run at the N24 against GT3's with the most restricted BOP. 100 KG of ballast and only about 460 restricted HP yet we still do OK having gotten the pole in 2017 and running in the top 3 until the rain came. (Our tires were 20 seconds a lap off of the Michelin's but as we'll be on them next year we hope to do better and challenge for 1 OA) Without ballast and with a lot more HP, KERS and active aero we think our LMP1/GT1 will be OK. Interestingly our Ford MK-IV ran a 3:22 at Le Mans in 1967 driven by Bruce McLaren. I realise the course was a bit different back then and hope even with the changes we'll be around that assuming that's where they'll want the new LMP1/GT1's to be.
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11 Dec 2018, 02:01 (Ref:3869326) | #6157 | |
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No, testing their previously announced GR SuperSport project. Possibly that package developed to be their base of the street engine but don't think they were planning on making that many of them though
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11 Dec 2018, 02:24 (Ref:3869327) | #6158 | |||
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I think that track car looked quite a bit different than the white concept car they showed previously. Could it be an evolution of the design? or testing components for a future project? |
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11 Dec 2018, 06:42 (Ref:3869341) | #6159 | |
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Check the date of that video
But yeah, some demo car of the road going vehicle probably |
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11 Dec 2018, 14:29 (Ref:3869429) | #6160 | ||
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11 Dec 2018, 17:16 (Ref:3869472) | #6161 | |
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https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ssion-for-bmw/
BMW out. Marquardt keeps talking about the need to have a hyper (road) car in the lineup which BMW currently does not have, but he must mean just the marketing connection. |
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11 Dec 2018, 17:48 (Ref:3869476) | #6162 | ||
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The BMW i8 isnt a hypercar?
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11 Dec 2018, 18:09 (Ref:3869483) | #6163 | ||
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Nah just a normal sportscar. It’s only £113k
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11 Dec 2018, 18:10 (Ref:3869484) | #6164 | ||
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I thought they were BOGOF........
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11 Dec 2018, 20:31 (Ref:3869522) | #6165 | |
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That's my guess. I remember they said that prototypes of the GR SuperSport already tested at Fuji. The video shows just that imo. I know that track is Fuji and Toyota owns it so can test whenever. Plus that has to be footage of the prototype. I wonder how I never saw that video before seeing as it was posted in January
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11 Dec 2018, 21:09 (Ref:3869531) | #6166 | |||
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Bandoh-san has said (not once) that the main difference between GT500 and DTM is the fact that latter is made for show, while Japanese championship is all about engineering. And somehow they still have full grids, full grandstands and amazing race reports and technical updates in their magazines. DTM guys have only tons of pretentious advertising and nothing more. Just mobile billboards. Good heavens, even NASCAR have more engineering (well, cheaty almost all the time but nevertheless) than DTM. And new LMPGTPDPi-or-how-it's-gonna-called will be the same. Just mobile billboards with zero correlation to any engineering genius. They've already have this type of racing in LMP2. Is it mega popular? I really don't think so. And have anybody thought about those who watch racing because of its engineering side? Well, I have an idea. I sound like a heretic to myself, but I prefer F1 now. At least they have some freedom for engineers. Yeah, strange world they (FIA) want us to live in. Maybe it was the plan - just to return some fans to F1 as an engineering pinnacle of motorsports. Oh, I don't believe I'm writing it |
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11 Dec 2018, 22:17 (Ref:3869548) | #6167 | |
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It's all about the drivers these days, they're the stars supposed to make the real difference when cars... sorry, brand associations are all lined up in glorious unison. Isn't that what everyone wants? Drivers and effective pit work. Oh no scratch that, I forgot everyone needs to have identical pit and stint times thanks to performance balanced fuel restrictors, fuel tanks and mandated mileage windows not to be deviated from. So it's just drivers then.
Which brand shall be victorious this weekend? It better not be the one that won last time around because that's boring, not good for stakeholders. And people will get annoyed and just look at their phones. Time to go hunting boys (for documents that will fix the boringness) Last edited by Deleted; 11 Dec 2018 at 22:34. |
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11 Dec 2018, 23:51 (Ref:3869568) | #6168 | |
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I don't see it as a great successor to lmp1's but it's not half as bad as you're making it out to be. You have to still make your own car, in dtm/gt500 the chassis is spec. You can also make or buy your own engine, in dtm/super gt it's a single formula and size. You can style your own car, dtm has to be a 2-door front engine coupe. If you make a road version you have greater freedom in the ers and engine area. The cars are back to 2000mm wide, they're also longer. They also have their own look and identity, something people complained about the lack of in lmp1 and their shape (not me).
Of course there's drawbacks like the ridiculous high weight and set aero levels. But I have a feeling that there are going to be a lot of small changes to the rules over the next nearly two years before they appear on the grid. I think the best thing I'm looking forward to is the different types of engines. With the low(er) efficiency standards set, we don't have to worry about the teeny turbos that sound like bees buzzing by. Lots here will pick apart the regs and say this and that are dumbed down but to the common race fan, there is a lot of good to look forward to. |
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12 Dec 2018, 04:20 (Ref:3869579) | #6169 | |
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12 Dec 2018, 07:13 (Ref:3869591) | #6171 | |||
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Effectively they eliminate technical regulations. If you have any type of "performance window" than you do not have to generate any bright ideas (even if we consider any type of loopholes etc). If you are too slow then you'll be pulled your ears to the top by "balance" - you do not have to be good at engineering at all. There's a huge difference with GT500 as they still have technical freedom in aero (side area under the doors) and suspension (I've read SARD won in 2016 because of tiny tricks with shock absorbers or something like that). As for engines - their formula is way more interesting than 500hp capped regs. They still have possibility to gain advantage by clever engineering with prechamber ignition and so on. This is not a show, this is sport - if Nissan have some problems with engines (because they have no programs in racing championships to gain info from) than it's theirs problems and they deal with it, like in real life. So, even if you have strict regulations you still have technical freedom. It's essential thing for every engineer who has to deal with Physics and Physical laws that are way more serious than any tech regs. And these laws have no wavers at all. And there's no "balance" to improve the situation. You have to be (or, in fact, become) a genius to deal with it and get any type of advantage. 2020 regs are "free" only for marketing lads. From engineering point of view it's a complete null function. OK, still with some descent commentators you can get some technical flavour. IIRC Rob Barff tried to explain how different GT3 cars deal with some tracks in British GT in 2008 (or so). It was rather interesting. But since then I've never heard anything like that. Just "this track suits this car" or "something goes wrong with that car today". I bet it's going to be the same with 2020. "Freedom" and no place for clever engineering. That's it. Last edited by helgi; 12 Dec 2018 at 07:24. |
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12 Dec 2018, 13:44 (Ref:3869674) | #6172 | |
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Entirely agree
I wish mr Goodwin saw that and they discussed it on the Pruett podcast, really would be good food for the thought |
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13 Dec 2018, 01:51 (Ref:3869813) | #6173 | |
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Car performance is not limited to the tiniest details like suggested. Everything I've read says that the performance window is power/weight l/d in terms of aero. Also movable aero devices might be an area that you can use to make your car better. In super gt the aero kits are mandated now. I think that they might be allowed for one change. Same thing with these rules. There's nothing I see that says you can't make a gain on areas of the car that are outside of the performance window of power and downforce/drag. If they have a trick in the suspension that gives them better handling is that part of the performance window? It's like Indycar where the best teams are the best because they are getting the most out of their setups. Those cars are spec as can be in those areas but there's still teams that win more often than not.
Not everything is good in the rules but imo there's nothing that shows any advantage isn't worth pursuing. The thing is where in the rules do you find that advantage. |
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13 Dec 2018, 19:33 (Ref:3870032) | #6174 | |
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ByKolles are next to announce they plan to be there with a 2020 Hypercar:
Endurance-Info article (in French) |
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13 Dec 2018, 21:01 (Ref:3870056) | #6175 | |
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Got to love their commitment to the top class, even if most of their attempts have been sub-par at best.
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