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Old 1 Mar 2021, 19:10 (Ref:4037712)   #166
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Just had a message of two mates importing 280 k gbp car from Blighty to Germany
Just been advised 7% duty plus clearance costs and still seeing where VAT applied
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Old 1 Mar 2021, 19:19 (Ref:4037717)   #167
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My understanding of the french rules is that VAT applies only on the growth margin made if those people are professionals.
Worth to check and compare the rules between Germany and France or other countries of the EU.
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Old 1 Mar 2021, 20:00 (Ref:4037727)   #168
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Just bribe the officials in France - seems to work for ex Presidents. One year house arrest (probably in a very nice house) seems to be the going rate. And we are all used to that now. Well, not as nice a house perhaps?
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Old 1 Mar 2021, 20:02 (Ref:4037728)   #169
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Before being fired for OT, I just tell you that he won't be framed. Well, not really, he can stay at home. But he has other perspectives in sight…
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Old 1 Mar 2021, 20:19 (Ref:4037737)   #170
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Before being fired for OT, I just tell you that he won't be framed. Well, not really, he can stay at home. But he has other perspectives in sight…

Yes, he wants to stand for the Presidency in next year's elections! Oh, and if I can correct you Gerard, I think you meant prospects.
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Old 1 Mar 2021, 21:26 (Ref:4037745)   #171
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My understanding of the french rules is that VAT applies only on the growth margin made if those people are professionals.
Worth to check and compare the rules between Germany and France or other countries of the EU.
Yes, my understanding of the VAT on a purchase it's the same here in Germany which is:

if it is considered to be of historical importance (for example a well known racing car); or at least 30 years old (a classic/veteran/vintage etc); there is no VAT applicable... so from the UK to Germany this hasn't changed.

HOWEVER there is now a 7% customs tax applicable, which wasn't there before, and this 7% is on the value of the vehicle PLUS it's transport fees into Germany.

Also additional smaller fees for admin on both sides.

So I'm too confident about how much longer the authorities will overlook questioning how long a UK car will stay in the EU, given the opportunity for them to collect 7% customs tax the same as they would from any non-EU import.

Still figuring it all out with little help from either UK or German customs information but this is my understanding thus far.
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Yes, he wants to stand for the Presidency in next year's elections! Oh, and if I can correct you Gerard, I think you meant prospects.
It does seem to be all part of French Presidential Elections that as the date looms up the incumbent seems to find a way of stitching up possible opponents in court on some spurious charge. It's happening to Marine Le Pen too. Likewise Francois Fillon last time around. Or DSK when he was seen as a threat to Hollande. It's a nasty business.
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If you make a quick search for UTA 772 you'll find several names. Then looking for the one who used to be so called leader, search for visit in Paris. Then look for who was supposed to found Sarko election…*And after that dont tell me about corruption in other countries!

Yes smokystove, same understanding. But isn't everything based on the declaration value? May be there will be a discrepancy depending on whether the car has papers or not.
I used to work for Pioneer France back in the day. The boss was a petrol head. A young accountant found that we could have VAT money back on the race cars, like F1's for instance because they were not registered as road cars.
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Old 1 Mar 2021, 22:04 (Ref:4037755)   #174
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But isn't everything based on the declaration value? May be there will be a discrepancy depending on whether the car has papers or not..
Yes, but our understanding is this is determined by the bill of sale (at least in our case).
Which for all the obvious reasons states the legitimate value as there would be huge disadvantages to it being otherwise.. not least of which is being illegal!
And as you mentioned earlier, it's not as if customs agents can't use the internet either.
So as it relates more to this thread I would be concerned that without either a bill of sale or a detailed carnet it may soon be difficult, expensive, or both.
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Old 1 Mar 2021, 22:15 (Ref:4037759)   #175
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So I'm not too confident about how much longer the authorities will overlook questioning how long a UK car will stay in the EU
doh...what I meant to say
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Old 1 Mar 2021, 22:30 (Ref:4037764)   #176
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Or the many European cars parked in UK where the UK authorities can take 5 %
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Or the many European cars parked in UK where the UK authorities can take 5 %
Well it would only be fair. Fun times ahead!
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Old 2 Mar 2021, 07:04 (Ref:4037795)   #178
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And as you mentioned earlier, it's not as if customs agents can't use the internet either.
Sure. I see your french language is very good. They have what is called "brigades spécialisées" very well trained and fully aware. Internet, mobile phones, dedicated experts, experience all this kind of things to make your day!

Decades ago, I used to be in touch with a specialized office (DGCCRF) for some reason. They explained one part of their monitoring of the income taxes payment. Each Thursday morning started "la lecture". News of the week, La Centrale, nothing to read but sales ads. First Targets? Ferrari and Rolls Royce owners posting nice pictures of the car they wanted to sale, showing the reg number. No reconciliation possible between income and owning a cost beauty? Bob is gonna give you a call!

If I still understand well, the kind of stuff you're interested in can't be found through the pages of Car and Classic, right? As said they are in contact with experts and they monitor the results of the auctions. Always and worldwide.
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I feel that from mid April, you might be bothered at french customs. From England, may be it would be better to land in Holland or Belgium? With "goods" value going from 300k to several M, its worth to check any percent…
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Decades ago, I used to be in touch with a . specialized office (DGCCRF) for some reason. They explained one part of their monitoring of the income taxes payment. Each Thursday morning started "la lecture". News of the week, La Centrale, nothing to read but sales ads. First Targets? Ferrari and Rolls Royce owners posting nice pictures of the car they wanted to sale, showing the reg number. No reconciliation possible between income and owning a cost beauty? Bob is gonna give you a call!

In the UK, a satirical magazine, which has been published fortnightly since 1961, and they also follow the behaviour of our politicians as well as companies, both in the UK and worldwide.

Back in the 80s, a friend of mine, who at the time was a quite senior civil servant with what was then our Internal Revenue department, told me that the largest subscriber to the magazine was his department, and they had dedicated members who were responsible for trawling through it to see what businesses were up to. And that many prosecutions of businesses were made solely due to what they had gathered from the publication.

Sadly, I don't think that they still follow that practice.
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