Shame Shame Shame

[D.R.T.]

A story being talked about on the Procar forums is a very disheartening story that Cup Car made attempts to stop Carrera Cup cars competing at Eastern Creek round over the weekend.

In the end both CC cars that competed, had to be minorly adjusted so technically they weren't Cup cars anymore.

Apparently there is a meeting between Cams , Procar and Cup Car this week (i think) to sort out this mess. Lets hope the right call is made.

If true, This is shocking that one category would purposely aim to cause harm to another series, I guess a testimate that they have been hanging around that 'other' series for to long.

Thoughts

[00 XR8]

Dispicable yes, shocking no. AVESCO controlled categories trying to destroy non-AVESCO controlled categories, surely not?

[worried]

Not AVESCO - Porsche Australia are behind Carrera Cup and have been working behind the scenes to stop all other Porsche category racing - seems like they are now starting to be on the receiving end for a change

[pete55]

Carrera Cup is AVESCO sanctioned at least. I don't see the point of Carrera Cup in Australia anyway. They should be in NC.
I think the reason Carrera Cup even got off of the ground was that Ross Palmer decided to go the way of Franchises for NC and limiting the no. of each make allowed to run NC. NC was not strong enough to try that little trick and the class is still paying for it.

[Morris 1100]

And I am sure that CAMS will sort this out in a jiffy!
And they will be totaly fair and unbiased

[pete55]

[00 XR8]

Originally posted by worried
Not AVESCO - Porsche Australia are behind Carrera Cup and have been working behind the scenes to stop all other Porsche category racing - seems like they are now starting to be on the receiving end for a change

Thats the last time I will ever buy a Porsche then if thats the attitude they want to take

[Morris 1100]

[Woody75]

I thought there was no problem with Nations Cup when Jimmy, Quinn and fitzy were running GT3s in the series.

Look back in 2002 we had a strong Nations Cup and very good category that i enjoyed called Porsche Cup.

Look what we have now CC was only about a 5/10 at Barbagallo

[rdmdog]

I thought PCA were supporting Porsche Cup with some kind of Winner Steps Up thingy, is this not the case?

[00 XR8]

SNIP
"Look back in 2002 we had a strong Nations Cup and very good category that i enjoyed called Porsche Cup."
SNIP


Yeah in 2002 we had a Ferrari 360GT (Bowe), a Porsche GT3 Cup (Richards), a Lamborghinni Diablo GTR (Stokell) and a Dodge Viper (Morgan) battling tooth and nail for the championship.

Sure there was small bickering about parity, with 40kg added here, 500rpm added there, but one thing there wasn't was friggen GM products running 7L motors and V8Supercar running gear...............

[racer69]

If the Carrera Cup was still getting the grids they were last year would they be attempting to stop Supercup cars from racing in Nations Cup?

[Woody75]

15 cars at Barbagallo disappointed me, especially without Jonathon Webb

[Trevor P]

Pete55
Porsche have a history of attempting to tightly control the racing of late model Porsche cars. I suspect this is an international policy. Porsche don't want to race against Ferraris or Lamborghinis because they could, and more often than not, lose against them. Witness NC here, where Porsches are often/usually the last fo these three manufacturers to cross the line. So how best not to be a loser in motor racing by not having any rival brand competitors to beat you over the line?
This has been recognised at the highest level within CAMS, and is not greatly appreciated.

[Onlooker]

Originally posted by Trevor P
Pete55
Witness NC here, where Porsches are often/usually the last fo these three manufacturers to cross the line. So how best not to be a loser in motor racing by not having any rival brand competitors to beat you over the line?

NC gives such an acurate gauge of the performance of the cars to doesn't it.
What is a crack up on that logic is why anyone would be stepping up for a Ferrari or a Lambo for that matter when they could simply slip down to the local holden dealer and get there hands on the fastest NC car on earth the Monaro.
And if you put down the motorsport reports and pick up the Drive section of a paper you will find that the Monaro rated safer than a Merc so you are a winner alround. Yep the must be some grumpy Germans over there that are dreaming of one day owning a Monaro.
Holden have such a huge reputation over the years of high level performance accross the world that the Monaro is certainly one of the great motorcars of the modern era.
And to think that Holden started out as a coach builder using an outside source to supply propulsion,my oh my how things have changed.

[TSR]

Originally posted by Morris 1100
And I am sure that CAMS will sort this out in a jiffy!
And they will be totaly fair and unbiased

I think you are dreaming on a little bit Morris1100

[Trevor P]

ONlooker
Sorry. Lost me on your post.
If you were disagreeing with my point, then I'll repeat.
What I said stands. Porsche Australia don't want current model 911's racing against Ferraris and Monaros and Lamborghinis because the 911's are not competitive.
But Jim Richards is competitive against Alex Davidson.
Porsche can't lose!
Ray

[Onlooker]

I guess my point was that NC is such a poor indication of a cars performance.
In the right enviroment they can really shine. Take F1 out of the equation and Ferrari are not excactly winners , I don't even know of a race that has been won by a Lambo outside of NC and for such weapons they both are have not been the stand outs in Targa's etc.Even in the 24 hour the 3rd and 4th placed cars were both 911's as were places 6th and 7th some 27 laps ahead of the Lambo and 123 ahead of the first Ferrari the next over 100 laps behind it.
Over 70% of the 7 Porsche's finished the race and over half of them in the top 8. 50% of the pair of Ferrari's finished and were never a shot at any sort of a position and 100% of the Lambo's but beaten by more Porsce's than it beat.I think of the Nurburg ring 24 hour and the Lemans and over the years Porsche have ruled the others. They are built for a different market niche in the world and maybe see little to gain in racing around in a sports sedan class that bears no resemblance to there performance as a true touring sports car.

[racer69]

Porsche's not competitve???

They won every GT-Production title between 1995-1999, and every Nations Cup title between 2000-2002.

[Morris 1100]

Originally posted by TSR
I think you are dreaming on a little bit Morris 1100

CAMS have a long history of doing the right thing, here is a list of the many times that they have done the right thing .....





































.. Alright, you got me!

[Onlooker]

Can you condense that list abit, i just can't be bothered reading it all

[Morris 1100]

But it took so long to type!

[pete55]

It always does when you do it with one finger Morris.

[Morris 1100]

I always use one finger when talking about CAMS

[pete55]