BTCC Knockhill 2016

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Matt Neal. Your arguments are now invalid :P

[porsche962fan]

it's artifical cos Neal had the soft tires and low ballast but under normal circumstances RWD are too dominant

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Jordan just said that they cannot compete with RWD , that they were always strong at Knockhill but now they got progresivly strong on every other circuit

No but a proper pro-level driver probably could?

[porsche962fan]

Jordan is a BTCC champion already , you cannot be that if you're not a real pro !!

[peebee2]

Really, the driver level in BTCC is not very high, which is why the likes of Neal and Plato are competitive year after year after year

[MrAero]

Turk, Neal and Tordoff have all scored 29pts so far in the two races, while Collard makes do with 11. With the four of them all in the top six R3 grid, not sure there's going to be a massive winner in the points race this weekend. It's certainly now going to be difficult for Colin to make big gains as he has in the last few meetings.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Really, the driver level in BTCC is not very high, which is why the likes of Neal and Plato are competitive year after year after year

May I ask, without wanting to sound sided, how you've come to that conclusion? Basically I'm asking for citations for your statement

[peebee2]

The number of drivers who have tried to race internationally is high, but with very little success. I am not saying they are no good, but there is little real top-drawer talent in BTCC as there are few, if any, real paid drives.

The BTCC is great TV and very entertaining but isn't in any way high level motorsport

[Akrapovic]

I agree that the driving standards are not that high but that win was due to soft tyres and the front 4 falling over each other. Realistically, the FWD cars are not able to compete with RWD here.

I don't understand why they have two different drives anyway. Its not like the cars are production based now and BMW are producing front drive Road cars now. Mandate FWD and everyone will be equal and nobody can complain about balance.

[Akrapovic]

Impressive drive from Jackson. Wouldn't have been able to compete without the reverse grid and soft tyres but he did what he needed to do.

Good 4 car battle but it never really got anywhere lol.

[BillWiskins]

Two races out of three won by FWD cars - and at a 'RWD circuit'!! Surely it is time to peg back the FWDs before they ruin everything!!

[Mark0994]

Great races.
Why could they make mandatory RWD then when everyone say that RWD is better?
Honda has been talking about RWD switch, Focus, A-Class, S3 and VW CC have 4WD so they can have RWD switch like Levorg. That leave Avensis and Cruze with FWD layout

[porsche962fan]

Shedden moans about straight line speed again

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Shedden moans about straight line speed again

And yet Matt Neal said he was held up by Jordan in the second race. Either a) Shedden is getting crap motors, b) Shedden is always moaning about BOP or c) both.....

[850Estate]

Good (fairly) clean days racing. Neal and Jackson proving that with enough talent you can beat the RWD cars in one of their happiest hunting grounds. Stunning defensive drive from Jackson in R3 and R2 was an absolutely fantastic one, I had no idea how it was going to pan out!

[Sodemo]

I think Neal got away with it again for his nudge out & spin with Morgan. The man truly is teflon.

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I think Neal got away with it again for his nudge out & spin with Morgan. The man truly is teflon.

just like Morgan got away spearing Shedden TWICE at the last event

[BtccLee]

Plato on fantastic form this weekend... Him and Turkington may find themselves on the same bit of track again over the last three rounds I suspect. Tasty.

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

just like Morgan got away spearing Shedden TWICE at the last event

Indeed. Any incident which involves a competitor losing control of their car should be investigated.

[850Estate]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

just like Morgan got away spearing Shedden TWICE at the last event

Yup, I agree, I felt both should've been penalised, although - given all the chat about Toca coming down harder on standards - I was expecting Neal to get a bit more than a slapped wrist for the Morgan shove.

Just re-watched R2 by the way, what a fantastic drive from him. Obviously the soft tyre helped, but he was driving the wheels off that car - I can't believe how late he braked, that Honda is unbelievable on the anchors!

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by 850Estate

that Honda is unbelievable on the anchors!

Always has been since they built the Integra, strong braking and a good turn-in have been their traits.

I have a feeling Neal and Tordoff will be the two title contenders going into the final round, their consistency is to be applauded.

[porsche962fan]

Collard, Shedden and Tuks aren't out of it either and come to think of Jackson is now 5th and his Focus is really fast on the straights so who knows


maybe Dynamics bring out a secret weapon for the final rounds , could they switch to TOCA engine ? as Eurotech is already running it should be easy and seeing the speed traps figures the Eurotech cars look to be ahead

and speaking about Eurotech ever since they lost Daniel Lloyd they seem totally impotent on track...

[S griffin]

Managed to watch the races on the ITV site this morning, would be better though if the freeze frame before you press play is a freeze frame race

It would have been naive to think Plato wouldn't win a race and he took the opportunity, but he's now gonna have something for the first time this year. Qualifying ballest, which means it won't so easy

Less silly driving this weekend, although there was Neal's assualt on Morgan, Plato possibly brake testing his teammate and Collard keeping his foot in in R3, shame because he did another Soperesque drive thru the field in R2, but he still has the red mist about him, which shows he is not got the mental approach to be champion.

Tordoff OTOH, showed the savvy he needs to be champ, with three big points finishes to put the Snetterton disappointment behind him. What has he got to do though to get another win this year. Turkington again showed how to be aggresive but fair, with some decisive moves, which as Tim Harvey said sets a good example to youngsters. Tingram seemed too much of a soft touch in battle

Neal again showed his class in R2, showing age is no barrier and BTCC stalwarts Austin and Newsham again showed their class at Knockhill

MG have been nowhere since the summer break. Either the car's past it or the lack of an experienced driver has stalled development

[porsche962fan]

anyone think that Jackson's defence was very similar to Giovanardi's one back in 2006 at same track were he got his first win and Bauxhall's 100th at same time?

[S griffin]

Now you mention it, there are similarities