So if there were 3 car grids for '05.....how would they look?

[luke]

...........So if there were 3 car grids for '05.....how would they look?(If Joran and Minardi left).

Ferrai: Michael Schumacher/Rubens Barrichello/Luizzi?

BAR: Jenson Button/Tukuma Sato/Anthony Davidson?

Renault: Ferando Alonso/Gincarlo Fisichella/Frank Mantangy ?

Mclaren: Juan Pablo-Montoya/Kimi Rakkionen/David Coulthard?

Wiliams: Mark Webber/Nick Heidfeld?Pizzionia?

Sauber: Jaques Villenuve/Phillpe Massa/Gary Paffett?

Toyota: Ralf Schumacher/Jarno Trulli/Ricardo Zonta?

New Jaguar team?............?

[Knowlesy]

If there will be six car teams:

Ferrari - M Schuey/ Rubens/ ?
BAR - Button/ Sato/ Davidson
Renault - Alonso/ Fisi/ Montagny
Williams - Webber/ Heidfeld/ Pizzonia
McLaren - Kimi/ Montoya/ Wurz
Sauber - Massa/ Villeneuve/ Liuzzi

Whether Toyota would run a third driver depends how many teams drop out.

[esorniloc]

If only one team drops out then only 2 teams would have to run 3 cars to make it upto 20.

If thats the case does it then go to the top 2 teams in the constructors championship to run 3 cars (Ferrari and BAR)?

Also is Badoer in with a chance if Ferrari run 3 cars?

[Rich R]

i doubt ferrari would run badoer in a third car.when schumi broke his leg in 1999 they had the chance to race badoer then and they didn't,(even though he was driving for minardi at the time). i think nowadays when you spend a few seasons as a test driver, that's how you stay.

[RWC]

Quite true Rich!
Besides badoer is a known slowpoke.They'll give the drive to someone that at least has a chance of being fast....Massa,Luizzi,etc
...they are still looking for a an MS replacement after all

[RWC]

...and i can't wait 'till such a time as there simply aren't enough working cars to make up the grid (for various reason)
--and bern has to cough up a HUUUUUGE fine by the race organizers
Justice will be so sweet

I can see it now...(bernie speaking) "C'mon eddie-rejoin f1!Here's 5 mil just for the one race.You don't even have to bring an f1 car! I'll have a word to max-any car will do!!"


....so eddie turns up with a chop top morris minor...

[Psycho]

Originally posted by knowlesy
If there will be six car teams:

Ferrari - M Schuey/ Rubens/ ?
BAR - Button/ Sato/ Davidson
Renault - Alonso/ Fisi/ Montagny
Williams - Webber/ Heidfeld/ Pizzonia
McLaren - Kimi/ Montoya/ Wurz
Sauber - Massa/ Villeneuve/ Liuzzi

Whether Toyota would run a third driver depends how many teams drop out.

Ferrari don't need a third car, they will win anyway.

[BootsOntheSide]

Ferrari would probably run Liuzzi in the third car, as they want him to gain experience before supposedly moving up to the race team when Michael retires.

Davidson at BAR is an automatic choice.

Montagny's situation with Flavio has supposedly deteriorated, but he is still the favourite, although I guess Bourdais would be considered.

Pizzonia would almost certainly be in a Williams, although I suspect Heidfeld or DC would eb designated as the secodn driver.

Wurz's contract may require him to be the thrid driver - if not expect someone like Paffett or Hamilton.

[BootsOntheSide]

Ferrari would probably run Liuzzi in the third car, as they want him to gain experience before supposedly moving up to the race team when Michael retires.

Davidson at BAR is an automatic choice.

Montagny's situation with Flavio has supposedly deteriorated, but he is still the favourite, although I guess Bourdais would be considered.

Pizzonia would almost certainly be in a Williams, although I suspect Heidfeld or DC would be designated as the secodn driver.

Wurz's contract may require him to be the thrid driver - if not expect someone like Paffett or Green

[minirda]

Ferrari: Schumacher, Rossi, Massa
McLaren: Montoya, Raikkonen, Paffett
Williams: Webber, Button, Heidfeld
Toyota: Ralf, Trulli, Zonta
Renault: Fisichella, Alonso, Montagny
BAR: Barichello, Sato, Davidson
Sauber: Villeneuve, Coulthard, Liuzzi

[Knowlesy]

Originally posted by Psycho
Ferrari don't need a third car, they will win anyway.

That has no bearing on whether a third car is run.

[BSchneiderFan]

I would have thought that Toyota are more likely than Sauber to run a third car, if only for financial reasons.

[Skam85]

Originally posted by minirda
Ferrari: Rossi,

Now THAT would be something to watch!!


FERRARI
M Schumacher
Barrichello
Massa

BAR HONDA
Button
Sato
Davidson

RENAULT
Alonso
Fisichella
Montagny

BMW-WILLIAMS
Webber
Heidfeld
Pizzonia

McLAREN MERCEDES
Raikkonen
Montoya
Coulthard

TOYOTA
R Schumacher
Trulli
Zonta

SAUBER
Villeneuve
Bernoldi (Red-Bull backed)
Klien (Red-Bull backed)

JORDAN-TOYOTA
Glock
Briscoe

MINARDI
Baumgartner
Will Davison

[Daisy]

Bernoldi isn't Red Bull back anymore, since he left (correcten: had to leave) Arrows.

Ferrari: M Schumacher / Barrichello / Liuzzi
BAR: Button / Sato / Davidson
Renault: Alonso / Fisichella / Villeneuve
Williams: Webber / Heidfeld / Pizzonia
McLaren: Raikkonen / Montoya / Coulthard
Sauber: Massa / Paffett / Klien
Toyota: R Schumacher / Trulli / Zonta

[Logrence]

If I was a team boss I'd be using proven test drivers to give me a race worth of good solid testing...

[Marbot]

So how on earth,as seems more likely,do the likes of Jordan and Minardi score points if every other team has 3 cars!,indeed if only the top eight score points what does this mean for any team not in the top 3?

[BootsOntheSide]

As it stands the third cars aren't eligible for points, which is a bit silly in itself.

[Logrence]

The third car drivers are eligible for points, but the cars aren't eligible for WCC points.

[Mr V]

Originally posted by BootsOntheSide

Montagny's situation with Flavio has supposedly deteriorated, but he is still the favourite, although I guess Bourdais would be considered.

Is Montagny contracted to Flavio? Flav's no longer in charge at Renault (iirc) so, if FM is not contracted to Flav, it shouldn't matter.

[Kicking-back]

Flavio is very much in charge at Renault.

His contract goes to the end of the 2005 season.

[Marbot]

Originally posted by Logrence
The third car drivers are eligible for points, but the cars aren't eligible for WCC points.

So at the moment you would still have to be in a top 3 car to stand any chance of being WDC (no change there then)but the FIA will have to alter the scoring system in some way if lower order teams are to stand any chance of their drivers scoring points if the 3 car rule comes into force.

[Adam43]

Originally posted by martyn bott
So at the moment you would still have to be in a top 3 car to stand any chance of being WDC (no change there then)

Its been the same since 1950.

Originally posted by martyn bott
but the FIA will have to alter the scoring system in some way if lower order teams are to stand any chance of their drivers scoring points if the 3 car rule comes into force.

(This is not certain it will be how it is, but) the third car will not only not score, but its place will ignored and the car below will get the points. e.g. Ferrari 1-2-3 Williams 4th. Ferrari get 18points for 1-2 and Williams 6 points for 3rd.

[Kicking-back]

That's how it works in rallying, Adam, and as all FIA championships tend to use the same points system there's no reason to expect F1 would be different.

[Marbot]

So what's the point,F1 is confusing enough to the "casual" viewer as it is(pitstops etc)the point scoring system will only make it worse,and James Allen trying to explain it to the people watching TV worse still!

[Adam43]

Normal points system. Only the top two cars score for the WCC to make it fair(er) for those with only two cars. I don't think it is that confusing.