Lap Records

[FAS33]

its obvious the COTF will run much faster times then they've ever been, I think well see some plucked off this year, especially on the smaller tracks. Although Bathurst will be one thatll take some doing, I predict at least 5 lap records to be broken this year.

[Razor]

Have to agree with you on this one. Mark Skaife said that Car Of Today is about 0.5-1 second faster than the Car Of Yesterday.

[Umai Naa]

Rumours were circulating Homebush that the Triple Eight car was matching the pace of the then-current car, with a there-or-thereabouts setup in it.

[Downoz]

Well it would be about time that they went quicker, from Memory I think Sandown, Barbagello, not sure about Hidden valley lap records were set way back in 1999. I think.

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Downoz

Well it would be about time that they went quicker, from Memory I think Sandown, Barbagello, not sure about Hidden valley lap records were set way back in 1999. I think.

I'm guessing here but maybe;
a) did the cars run superior tyres that season
b) did they have unusually cold conditions (denser air=more power)?

Hidden Valley is normally stinking hot isn't it?

[Wrighty05]

Can see the Bathurst lap record going, but more because of the track re-surfacing.

[D.R.T.]

Just to clarify we are talking v8 supercar records and not circuit records

[m00neelee]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Just to clarify we are talking about Jamie Whincup's personal best times since joining 888, not v8 supercar records and not circuit records.

Since this is a FAS33 question i needed to fix your spelling mistake.

[sizzle]

In those days there were multiple suppliers along with the associated tyre wars

[Rachel Richards]

The Dunlop is between 1.5 & 3 seconds a lap slower than the last (best) Bridgestone’s.

Can't compare apples & oranges.

These 'new' cars, should have a new COTF V8SC lap record category, as they are nothing like any previous V8 Supercar.

Alternatively, perhaps just let them break the Sports Sedan Lap Records (if they can) as that's what they really are...

[Umai Naa]

Cool story.

[FAS33]

then you might as well reset all the new lap recorded times the current F1, NASCAR, DTM have made in the past seasons.

[one five five]

Might we finally see the lap record at Symmons Plains broken?
Alfie Costanzo has held that since 1980!


Who cares if a completely different COTF V8Supercar is quicker than the 'old-model' V8Supercars, the COTF's have been designed to be quicker! If they are slower then something has gone very wrong....

Why don't we concentrate on whether the "Sports Sedan Lites" COTF of 2013 might actually break some outright track records.

For starters they will need to get into 2m04's in race trim to achieve the feat at Bathurst

[FAS33]

I think youll find The track record for Bathurst is 1:48

[one five five]

Originally Posted by FAS33

I think youll find The track record for Bathurst is 1:48

I think you will find you are very wrong

PS.. lap records cannot be set during demonstrations (plus there was no official timing during the McLaren/Vodafone event)

[m00neelee]

Originally Posted by one five five

I think you will find you are very wrong

PS.. lap records cannot be set during demonstrations (plus there was no official timing during the McLaren/Vodafone event)

Actually FAS33 is correct. They did say that it was the track record, not a lap record. Splitting hairs I know, but it's all in the wording.

Fastest race lap to date I believe is Chris Gilmour in a Dallara F307 at 2.04.61.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by m00neelee

Actually FAS33 is correct. They did say that it was the track record, not a lap record. Splitting hairs I know, but it's all in the wording.

Fastest race lap to date I believe is Chris Gilmour in a Dallara F307 at 2.04.61.

How can it be a track record when the demonstration was not officially timed?

Even Greg Murphy's 2003 lap was never officially recognised as lap records cannot be set in qualifying (V8Supercars pumped up the lap, and subsequently Lowndes practice lap, for their own chest beating purposes for years though)

It is a pity the likes of RaceTime & Ray Bell don't post here anymore to straighten out these misconceptions.

[ff s conscience]

Originally Posted by Razor

Have to agree with you on this one. Mark Skaife said that Car Of Today is about 0.5-1 second faster than the Car Of Yesterday.

had a giggle at that one!

and err, I had some people from a prominent VIC based V8 team fresh from a COTF assembly push, come into my workshop this week, and they saw the 1992 Audi V8 Quattro DTM car I'm tickling up......

They were "oohing, and aaahing" at all the technology on it!

It's 20 years old!!!

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by one five five

How can it be a track record when the demonstration was not officially timed?

Even Greg Murphy's 2003 lap was never officially recognised as lap records cannot be set in qualifying (V8Supercars pumped up the lap, and subsequently Lowndes practice lap, for their own chest beating purposes for years though)

It is a pity the likes of RaceTime & Ray Bell don't post here anymore to straighten out these misconceptions.

Murphy's lap was never a lap record but it WAS a qualifying record & was accurately described as the fastest V8 lap at the mountain for some time after.

Totally agree on the F1 - no timing system in place but I'd reckon the car's data logging ( triggered by a fixed location unit) would be good enough to know that the lap time was accurate - just not a lap record.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by ff s conscience

had a giggle at that one!

and err, I had some people from a prominent VIC based V8 team fresh from a COTF assembly push, come into my workshop this week, and they saw the 1992 Audi V8 Quattro DTM car I'm tickling up......

They were "oohing, and aaahing" at all the technology on it!

It's 20 years old!!!

For those who don't know Audi withdrew from the '92 DTM because the car despite "all the technology" was an utter dog.

It was even embarrassed by Gerd Ruch's old Ford Mustang with 5.0 litre small block windsor power on occassions and was no match for the M3's or 190E's.

Mind you, they were a great looking cars and the 1990 and 1991 cars worked a treat.

As a guide, lap time wise, it would have been about as quick as the first "V8 Supercars" that debuted at Sandown and Bathurst in '92. I'd guess a maybe a touch slower but that might be a little unfair to Mr HJ Stuck.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by ff s conscience

They were "oohing, and aaahing" at all the technology on it!

It's 20 years old!!!

No doubt - DTM has always been relatively high tech - the technology, for a 20 year old car, would be impressive. By today's standards, probably not so much.

[ff s conscience]

Originally Posted by chavez

For those who don't know Audi withdrew from the '92 DTM because the car despite "all the technology" was an utter dog.

It was even embarrassed by Gerd Ruch's old Ford Mustang with 5.0 litre small block windsor power on occassions and was no match for the M3's or 190E's.

Mind you, they were a great looking cars and the 1990 and 1991 cars worked a treat.

As a guide, lap time wise, it would have been about as quick as the first "V8 Supercars" that debuted at Sandown and Bathurst in '92. I'd guess a maybe a touch slower but that might be a little unfair to Mr HJ Stuck.

Err, no.

They got caught cheating, that's why they stopped.

They claimed to have same power at same rpmm as other competitors..

And it did.... about 450 BHP at about 7500 rpm.

but they then ran a flat plane crank engine that revved to 9000rpm and made 600+ BHP.

And got busted by some nerd with a super slow mo microphone recording the rpm as it went by.

Ooops

[ff s conscience]

Originally Posted by Tourer

No doubt - DTM has always been relatively high tech - the technology, for a 20 year old car, would be impressive. By today's standards, probably not so much.

Even by todays standards, this works Audi is very clever and even current in many ways.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by ff s conscience

Err, no.

They got caught cheating, that's why they stopped.

They claimed to have same power at same rpmm as other competitors..

And it did.... about 450 BHP at about 7500 rpm.

but they then ran a flat plane crank engine that revved to 9000rpm and made 600+ BHP.

And got busted by some nerd with a super slow mo microphone recording the rpm as it went by.

Ooops

Obviously off topic, but do you think they went down that route because the car was uncompetitive? - from the '92 DM review I have on VHS it obvious that they spent a lot of time mid field or retiring through mechancial failure.

Will it be raced in historic touring cars? Would love to see one racing in the flesh.

[brown dog]

Originally Posted by chavez

Obviously off topic, but do you think they went down that route because the car was uncompetitive? - from the '92 DM review I have on VHS it obvious that they spent a lot of time mid field or retiring through mechancial failure.

Will it be raced in historic touring cars? Would love to see one racing in the flesh.

Off topic again (we should start a new thread for this maybe?) but I did not know that any of the works Audi DTM's escaped from the factory? Fantastic cars, how about a few pics? I own an M3 that would have raced against it in 92. The V8 won the DTM in 90 and 91, but although clever in concept I think the flat plane crank was probably their downfall, how many engine blowups did they have before withdrawing in 1992?

Conrad