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16 Mar 2004, 02:00 (Ref:906589)
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Australians in F1. Why are there hardly any?
This is in a similar vein to that one about the South Americans. As far as I know, there have only been about 10 Aussies in F1 ever. Of those, only Sir Jack Brabham, Tim Schenken, Alan Jones & Mark Webber have scored F1 points! Wassup wit dat?!
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16 Mar 2004, 02:07 (Ref:906592)
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There are about 180 million people in Brazil alone; Australians total to little more than 10 percent of the population of Brazil.
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16 Mar 2004, 02:28 (Ref:906603)
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What about Americans? There are 330 million of us and we haven't had any drivers since Michael Andretti
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16 Mar 2004, 02:42 (Ref:906606)
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America really has its own premier series or several depending on who you talk to. Australia doesn't really have a top level open wheel championship (this only applies to the Aust vs America argument).
I think it really comes down to distance, to get big you've got to go to Europe its a long way away and costs alot. Webber really stuck at it where plenty of others give up and come back to a well paid comfortable touring car drive. That's not saying they didn't have the talent but many just run out of money. As a population ratio i think australia does very well in most sports we have a go at. |
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16 Mar 2004, 02:42 (Ref:906607)
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Hey don't forget the Canadians! I think Greg Moore was going to be an F1 great, too bad he went before his time
 With no guarantee Villeneuve will be back, the future looks pretty bleek for Canadian race car drivers as well. Just be happy you have one shawn! |
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Doesn't it seem sad that drivers like Fisichella, Coultard, Barrichello, and Ralf all have secure seats in F1, despite having had race winning cars for many more seasons than Jacques, yet failing to chalk up as many wins as he (let alone a WDC) that it is Jacques who doesn't have a drive in F1??? Sad indeed.
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16 Mar 2004, 03:05 (Ref:906612)
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Many of these V8 drivers are fairly young, and I do believe that if we had a better F-3/F-Renault/F-Opel in Australia, some of them could excel in single seaters and then make it to Europe and F1. Fortunately I see some future for Ryan Briscoe... At least Toyota seems to be investing a lot is his development as a F1 driver. Australians love their own sports. If there wasn't Australian Football (Aussie Rules) this country would be a soccer, volleyball and basketball superpower. But still... even though I don't like it... I have to live with the fact that my daughter (a true blue Aussie) loves the game! |
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16 Mar 2004, 03:07 (Ref:906616)
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 But hey... can't blame the team owners. These guys are good!
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16 Mar 2004, 03:23 (Ref:906628)
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Australia does not get behind its open wheller categories at all in this country.
All the Formula Ford drivers try iot overseas eg Ambrose,Ingall,Skaife,Morris,Bright & Steven Richards to an extent but they all seem to come back & pay the bills by racing taxi's I mean supercars. It is a shame given the talent we have here in open wheelers they must go overseas. Heck when Alan Jones was in F1 he could not get Aussie sponsorship had to rely on Bin Laden |
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16 Mar 2004, 03:55 (Ref:906638)
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16 Mar 2004, 04:16 (Ref:906659)
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Prime reason summed up in one word - Budget.
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16 Mar 2004, 04:24 (Ref:906663)
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 There about one billion people in China alone, and there are ZERO Chinese in F1 ever. My country, Indonesia, have about 200 million people, and none had chance in F1. We can talk the same stories about other states, especially in Asia, Middle East, and Africa. Last edited by Led ZeppF1; 16 Mar 2004 at 04:25. |
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16 Mar 2004, 07:55 (Ref:906741)
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well, and how many portuguese?
we had Pedro Lamy who could have stood a chance but broke his leg in an accident and before that Pedro Chaves in the lovely Coloni that never qualified, ever... or is my memory failing? |
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16 Mar 2004, 11:57 (Ref:906928)
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Not talking about someone getting a F1 seat... It's much more driver development, like it seems to happen in Brazil... All those guys go through Karting, F-Ford, F-Renault and F-3 before going to Europe, where they eventually end up winning a championship. Last edited by DieRitter; 16 Mar 2004 at 11:58. |
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16 Mar 2004, 12:19 (Ref:906944)
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Webber is a huge assett not only to formula one, but to Australia. With that in mind, who knows why there are not many Aussies in F1? Like Coultard, Webber is also the perfect speaker...........a sponsors dream you might think? Drivers like Lowdes, Skaife and Radisich would probably do pretty well in F1. People talk about all the Formulas, but I think the V8s are a great stepping stone to F1. I know they are different, but they arent that different when you think about it.
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16 Mar 2004, 15:32 (Ref:907096)
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Lowndes had a crack at F3000 for one season before returning home with his tail between his legs.
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16 Mar 2004, 16:16 (Ref:907136)
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Instead of setting up a moaning thread about the absentee
we should consider thatn quality is way more important than quantity: for instance, as an Italian I should be very happy for having 4 drivers, and I'm sort of, but I know that none has any chance to be the WDC or to battle for the final win.One sole Aussie like Webber would be preferable than many backfield like Bruni or Pantano Last edited by climb; 16 Mar 2004 at 16:16. |
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16 Mar 2004, 17:02 (Ref:907201)
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Fair comment climb. I hadnt thought of it like that. Italy does have Ferrari though
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16 Mar 2004, 22:12 (Ref:907611)
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Nevertheless four Italians!!! Let's get just one Canadian back in there! Last edited by TeddyG; 16 Mar 2004 at 22:14. |
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Doesn't it seem sad that drivers like Fisichella, Coultard, Barrichello, and Ralf all have secure seats in F1, despite having had race winning cars for many more seasons than Jacques, yet failing to chalk up as many wins as he (let alone a WDC) that it is Jacques who doesn't have a drive in F1??? Sad indeed.
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16 Mar 2004, 23:16 (Ref:907688)
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Ok... I drove F-3s and Touring cars... it's all different buddy! Have you ever heard of fast-in, fast-out, understeering... And please consider that on top of that, Supecars setup are not as dynamic. The day someone gets a F1 drive straight from V8 Supercars, then we can call it a stepping stone. It's a great Aussie category, I think it's very competitive and fun to watch. I personally love it! But remember that anywhere in the world, stock cars are for drivers usually around their 40s. |
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17 Mar 2004, 02:18 (Ref:907823)
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17 Mar 2004, 15:54 (Ref:908280)
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Australians are better off out of F1, its too boring for them, well for anyone really. |
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17 Mar 2004, 17:57 (Ref:908370)
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Brazil is the only country which has challenged the Western European countries in the last couple of decades. I don't think Australia is doing anything wrong, rather that Brazil is doing something very right.
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17 Mar 2004, 18:22 (Ref:908389)
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What about the Belgians?
All we have is Bas Leinders... And the only Belgian ever to be talented enough to even think about a title shot was Jacky Ickx... Last edited by ASCII Man; 17 Mar 2004 at 18:22. |
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17 Mar 2004, 18:28 (Ref:908397)
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I think Thierry Boutsen could have won one. Not in the class of Prost, Piquet or Senna but as good as anyone else if he was happy with the car.
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17 Mar 2004, 18:50 (Ref:908432)
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