WTCC Round 15 & 16 - Curitiba

**FIRE** · 20 Jul 2012, 19:31 (Ref:3109213)

Menu fastest in test session:
http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=7891

davyboy · 22 Jul 2012, 09:19 (Ref:3109668)

I wonder what this was about. I've been in/out of Brazil lots of times and never had a problem.

**FIRE** · 22 Jul 2012, 10:34 (Ref:3109690)

I assume something to do with visa. Are these members Russian?

kurski · 22 Jul 2012, 10:55 (Ref:3109705)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

I assume something to do with visa. Are these members Russian?

If you did not know so for next year Russian drivers Pavel Kalmanovich or Mikhail Kozlovskiy moves to WTCC in Lada team. We have to wait and see being sent from the Lada next year according WTCC series, but the other driver would either Lukoil junior driver.

davyboy · 22 Jul 2012, 11:21 (Ref:3109719)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

I assume something to do with visa. Are these members Russian?

Ah right, maybe they are. I had just assumed the entire team were Spanish.

Hazard · 22 Jul 2012, 16:57 (Ref:3109827)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

Ah right, maybe they are. I had just assumed the entire team were Spanish.

All the mechanics and engineers are from SEAT, so not Russian.

Russia's only team-members at the team are PR people (plus Dudukalo of course) - which wouldn't have caused a problem running the car.

jsrori · 22 Jul 2012, 18:35 (Ref:3109874)

So a dominant 1, 2, 3 from Chevrolet in Race 1 then. A couple of talking points I notice...

Firstly, why are we still getting problems with race starts after all these years? The second lap looked still quite sloppy to me.

Secondly, it's great to see Bamboo do so well after a lean period. Is this to do with the factory Chevrolet team announcing their exit from WTCC meaning Bamboo can really go for it now?

Thirdly, with the withdrawal of Chevrolet, do people think this makes it more or less interesting for new manufacturers to join the WTCC?

Finally, did Boardman really deserve his drive through?

jsrori · 22 Jul 2012, 18:36 (Ref:3109875)

Does it annoy anyone else that the National Anthems in the WTCC are silenced out half way through?

skells22 · 22 Jul 2012, 18:51 (Ref:3109888)

If it was for track limits (we had one of those already today) then fair pen, if it was just for the bump harsh pen, we need FIA to say want the pen for please

jsrori · 22 Jul 2012, 18:59 (Ref:3109901)

I have to say that I wasn't that impressed by D'Aste's protestations about Boardman's driving and I feel the drive through was over harsh and undeserved. Maybe a reprimand after the race as the penalty all seemed a little marginal.

I Rosputnik · 23 Jul 2012, 11:50 (Ref:3110268)

Not the best races in the world, I found them to rather boring and someone really, really, really, really needs to tell those drivers to line up at the beginning! Plus while there were people there, no home driver meant there were some empty looking grandstands...

Oh well, America next after two months, should be interesting to see how it turns out.

Craner Curves · 23 Jul 2012, 11:56 (Ref:3110273)

Curitiba's a bad track. No real overtaking opportunities apart from the right hairpin and the left hairpin midway round the lap. I'd rather see them at Interlagos.

I Rosputnik · 23 Jul 2012, 11:58 (Ref:3110278)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Curitiba's a bad track. No real overtaking opportunities apart from the right hairpin and the left hairpin midway round the lap. I'd rather see them at Interlagos.

It also needs a better atmosphere. The past two races were rather stale compared to Hungary and Slovakia. I'm holding out to see if we get either Seat or Lada to enter officially next year have some much need battles between cars.

W.A Trichlorostyrene · 23 Jul 2012, 14:28 (Ref:3110333)

Even though Curitiba isn't the best of tracks, I enjoyed the racing.

Liked the racing a lot so far this season. Don't see the problem with Chevy's domination when it is 100% deserved. The great title chase in the independants makes up for the lack of excitement up front anyway.

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Originally Posted by jsrori

Does it annoy anyone else that the National Anthems in the WTCC are silenced out half way through?

It does annoy me too. Either play it properly or don't play it at all. IMHO.

Bramzel · 23 Jul 2012, 15:28 (Ref:3110363)

I don't mind Curitiba at all, even though there aren't a lot of overtaking places it does always give entertaining races. It has risky corners, different sections that suit different cars, and there is always something happening in these races.

Sodemo · 24 Jul 2012, 18:12 (Ref:3110905)

How much heavier are Chevy now compared to the rest of the cars?

touring fan01 · 24 Jul 2012, 23:00 (Ref:3111008)

in brazil the cruze was only +30 over the BMWs and +40 over the Seats

Deleted · 25 Jul 2012, 13:54 (Ref:3111244)

Actually, it was 50kg over the Seats

Chevrolet Cruze 1200kg
BMW 320 1170kg
Seat Leon 1150kg
Seat Leon 1,6T 1150kg
Ford Focus 1130kg

Sodemo · 25 Jul 2012, 16:00 (Ref:3111303)

Wow, Focus' are 70kg lighter than the Cruzes and they still can't compete...

Deleted · 25 Jul 2012, 17:31 (Ref:3111339)

Apparently they're also frustrated how the recent BoP / succes ballast breaks made the Seat and BMW "only" 20kg & 40kg heavier than them, instead of +50kg and +70kg like prior Curitiba

touring fan01 · 26 Jul 2012, 14:17 (Ref:3111657)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Apparently they're also frustrated how the recent BoP / succes ballast breaks made the Seat and BMW "only" 20kg & 40kg heavier than them, instead of +50kg and +70kg like prior Curitiba

They were nearly 3 secs a lap off the fast cars so a few kilos isn't going to help them get over that giant hurdle. Even the Lada in Portugal was 60kg heavier than the fords and still out qualified them!

thlbtcc · 5 Aug 2012, 16:43 (Ref:3116358)

Wowzers, when the numbers are added up it really isn't favourable for the Ford's

At least all you can do is beat your team mate, something Nash has done consistently all season.

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