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Old 15 May 2019, 12:32 (Ref:3903920)   #886
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And I've heard The Latifi family has more money than the Stroll family
Doesn’t feel the need to shout about it the same way though.
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Old 15 May 2019, 13:55 (Ref:3903943)   #887
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It was encouraging to see Russell to close the gap slightly to the other cars just ahead of him in practice. Hopefully this isn't a false dawn and eventually they'll be up with the others
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Old 16 May 2019, 02:39 (Ref:3904064)   #888
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The cars need to be genuinely "hairy" and difficult to drive, then the driver becomes a genuine performance differentiator, you don't see any of this nonsense going on in MotoGP
Exactly this wnut.

There is no way anyone having their first hitout in a 2019 F1 car should be able to almost replicate Bottas pole time.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...n-as-test-ends
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Old 16 May 2019, 06:54 (Ref:3904078)   #889
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Reminds me of an old Harry Enfield sketch, 2 sketches possibly!

For those in the UK with a memory..

'Loasdamoney' and 'Weyam cunsiderablee richar than yow'
Ah yes. And the chap with "b*gger all money". Pretty much Snr Minardi back in the day. A team that always looked like they belonged despite having a teeny weeny budget.
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Old 21 May 2019, 02:15 (Ref:3905005)   #890
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The cars need to be genuinely "hairy" and difficult to drive, then the driver becomes a genuine performance differentiator
All the F1 and F2 drivers have been racing go-karts since they were 6 or 7 years old. I think you under-estimate how good they are.

The 2018 Williams was already hairy, difficult to drive and unpredictable -- that's why Stroll and Sirotkin had so many offs with it after all.

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There is no way anyone having their first hitout in a 2019 F1 car should be able to almost replicate Bottas pole time.
The Mercedes is demonstrably a good car. It's predictable and doesn't have the instability problems of, say, the 2018 Williams where the downforce would be there one moment and disappear the next, spitting the driver off into the gravel trap.

Like I said, these are ALL good drivers -- a car that is about to throw them off at every corner with wildly untrustable downforce will hardly be a gold standard of anything...

Less downforce and softer suspension just means slower response rates, and less agile reactions required, which is hardly a gain of any kind.
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All the F1 and F2 drivers have been racing go-karts since they were 6 or 7 years old. I think you under-estimate how good they are.

The 2018 Williams was already hairy, difficult to drive and unpredictable -- that's why Stroll and Sirotkin had so many offs with it after all.



The Mercedes is demonstrably a good car. It's predictable and doesn't have the instability problems of, say, the 2018 Williams where the downforce would be there one moment and disappear the next, spitting the driver off into the gravel trap.

Like I said, these are ALL good drivers -- a car that is about to throw them off at every corner with wildly untrustable downforce will hardly be a gold standard of anything...

Less downforce and softer suspension just means slower response rates, and less agile reactions required, which is hardly a gain of any kind.
I take a little exception to this. I am becoming more and more of the belief that the current stock of f1 (and other top series, too) drivers are nothing special. Seems rather than being a natural ability inherent in them, it is a skill that could be attained to a similar level by such a large percentage of people as to make them not all that great in relation to normal.

I am increasingly having a harder time believing that the supreme drivers in the world all just happen to come from the richest families and circumstances in the world. As you said, they've all been racing go karts since 6-7, and have had every opportunity for coaching and improving equipment through financial resources ever since. Seems like a learned skill that is transferable to many, given the same opportunities.
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I take a little exception to this. I am becoming more and more of the belief that the current stock of f1 (and other top series, too) drivers are nothing special. Seems rather than being a natural ability inherent in them, it is a skill that could be attained to a similar level by such a large percentage of people as to make them not all that great in relation to normal.

I am increasingly having a harder time believing that the supreme drivers in the world all just happen to come from the richest families and circumstances in the world. As you said, they've all been racing go karts since 6-7, and have had every opportunity for coaching and improving equipment through financial resources ever since. Seems like a learned skill that is transferable to many, given the same opportunities.
I think there is something in this but you have to acknowledge the likes of Hamilton, Verstappen and Leclerc for example are pretty special.

But I do agree with the point about wealthy families and the prep from a young age now. I just don't rate Stroll at all. He can be ok but ok isn't good enough. Marzipan isn't good enough on merit for F1. That element of raw talent is missing, instead certain ability trained into them.

The 2 big problems I have is no clear single ladder to F1 (a little less cluttered than recent years) and F1 Teams taking multiple drivers into their programmes from a silly early age - so you have F1 supported kids who already have a budget etc. advantage over someone not in the programme - who may be better. I'd prefer no F1 interference until maybe GP2 and then not the pool of drivers such that driver A can't drive for Team X because he is associated with Team Y.

I hate the modern F1 car now anyway, they're like trucks and it seems any kid can jump in and be on the pace too quickly.

All this said, I don't think the quality of the grid is better or worse than it ever was. There have always been genuine standout drivers and crap ones that you wonder how they have such loyal sponsors or parents who can't see their money would be better spent elsewhere.
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