BTCC 2019 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 14

**touringlegend** · 22 Aug 2018, 12:48 (Ref:3845373)

Blitz I agree with all your points. Shedden has also raced in support championships for about 10 years before he was a full time BTCC driver. So al those circuits on the calendar were well known.

Reading between the lines I think Sheddens move to WTCR seen him become a paid up factory driver, slightly different to his works BTCC status. Correct me if I’m wrong anyone.

I guess if you are getting paid you will follow where the money is, but I think if you compare Neal (and Plato) to Priaulx the BTCC drivers are far better known domestically. Yet Priaulx is a multiple world champion.

Sodemo · 22 Aug 2018, 13:53 (Ref:3845384)

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Originally Posted by BLiTZ

My understanding is that the suspension in NGTC cars handles quite differently to production bodied touring cars resulting in quite a soft setup with lots of body roll. People often say NGTC is closer to a silhouette series a bit like the Aussie Super Cars.

Yep, the NGTC body roll is quite a factor. Could that be why Turkington goes better than Collard, since when they were at WSR with the E90, Turks preferred a softer setup than what Collard eventually ran?

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

Blitz I agree with all your points. Shedden has also raced in support championships for about 10 years before he was a full time BTCC driver. So al those circuits on the calendar were well known.

Reading between the lines I think Sheddens move to WTCR seen him become a paid up factory driver, slightly different to his works BTCC status. Correct me if I’m wrong anyone.

I guess if you are getting paid you will follow where the money is, but I think if you compare Neal (and Plato) to Priaulx the BTCC drivers are far better known domestically. Yet Priaulx is a multiple world champion.

What I find funny is that when they (Tim Harvey and David Addison) were speaking about Shedden, they didn't once mention the series name, almost as if they had been pre-coached to deliberately omit that detail.

Matt K · 22 Aug 2018, 14:08 (Ref:3845386)

I agree with you all pointing the reasons behind Shedden's form in WTCR and I never said I think he's not good enough for WTCR. But I think his move back to BTCC could be seen as admitting he just didn't have it and feels better in his well known environment. I mean, at least one more year Shedden should race in WTCR to have a bit bigger picture.

billy bleach · 22 Aug 2018, 14:15 (Ref:3845387)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

I can see Plato being a team manager. He is an astute politician and can undoubtedly bring a team of the best people together.

Doubt it It seems to be all about him...

crmalcolm · 22 Aug 2018, 15:00 (Ref:3845397)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

What is this different driving style that people speak of for NGTC? Can anyone shed any light on it?

Probably the best person to speak to would be Giovanardi? He admitted that it took him a while to learn the different style required for NGTC when he returned in 2014.

There is also some discussion about driving styles for NGTC (due to high CG) here.

'Due to the considerable weight transfer of a relatively high CG (center of gravity) touring car this means lifting the throttle has a significant bearing on the balance of the vehicle, compounded by the front drive nature. Throttle control is thus extremely important in these vehicles, a very slight lift often enough to cure substantial understeer in the car, while jumping right off the throttle is likely to induce massive oversteer.'

S griffin · 22 Aug 2018, 16:49 (Ref:3845419)

Shedden has done alright in WTCR, in what is a highly competitive championship with so many star names. He did get pole in one race remember

touring fan01 · 22 Aug 2018, 18:04 (Ref:3845433)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Shedden has done alright in WTCR, in what is a highly competitive championship with so many star names. He did get pole in one race remember

reverse grid pole remember

TR4racer · 25 Aug 2018, 08:37 (Ref:3845930)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

reverse grid pole remember

It was Dubai last year when he replaced a Huff in the VW Golf for the last round. He got pole for race 1 and finished P2. He started P10 in race 2 as the top 10 are reversed. It wasn’t a reverse pole.

touring fan01 · 25 Aug 2018, 13:16 (Ref:3845990)

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Originally Posted by TR4racer

It was Dubai last year when he replaced a Huff in the VW Golf for the last round. He got pole for race 1 and finished P2. He started P10 in race 2 as the top 10 are reversed. It wasn’t a reverse pole.

that wasnt WTCR
it was the normal TCR international series with a LOT lower level of competiton to WTCR.

Nononsensecapeesh · 26 Aug 2018, 08:46 (Ref:3846118)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

that wasnt WTCR
it was the normal TCR international series with a LOT lower level of competiton to WTCR.

i.e. before TCR International amalgamated with the WTCC.

TR4racer · 26 Aug 2018, 08:50 (Ref:3846119)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

that wasnt WTCR
it was the normal TCR international series with a LOT lower level of competiton to WTCR.

Very true...I would say that WTCR is a mix of WTCC drivers and TCR International drivers so not really sure that TCR International was a LOT lower level as you suggest. However, I respect your point of view

Evantra · 26 Aug 2018, 08:54 (Ref:3846120)

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... However, I respect your point of view

If only everyone on this forum was like this!

Nononsensecapeesh · 26 Aug 2018, 09:02 (Ref:3846121)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

If only everyone on this forum was like this!

Indeed.

S griffin · 26 Aug 2018, 09:33 (Ref:3846124)

Just shows a BTCC driver can do well in different series in different countries, with different spec of cars

Steel Wheels · 28 Aug 2018, 08:22 (Ref:3846687)

Are we due to loose any model of car due to the 5 years from last production rule? I know the Chevy’s had to go last year, surely the MG’s must be nearing that soon?

Matt K · 28 Aug 2018, 08:24 (Ref:3846688)

And I wonder whether Speedworks changes their Avensis to Auris or Camry. I know Avensis has just gone out of production but maybe some Toyota involvement is on the cards...

Btw what about two-car Speedworks team with Toyota backing and Tingram and Sutton behind the wheels?

Evantra · 28 Aug 2018, 08:34 (Ref:3846691)

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Originally Posted by Steel Wheels

Are we due to loose any model of car due to the 5 years from last production rule? I know the Chevy’s had to go last year, surely the MG’s must be nearing that soon?

I think the Audis, VWs and Mercs could be due a facelift.

btccbloke · 28 Aug 2018, 09:01 (Ref:3846694)

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Originally Posted by Steel Wheels

Are we due to loose any model of car due to the 5 years from last production rule? I know the Chevy’s had to go last year, surely the MG’s must be nearing that soon?

Is that definitely a rule? Only thing I am aware of is that they needed to be in production and available retail through dealers in the UK at point of homologation

AMD haven't spent time and money developing and enhancing a btcc car and getting an association with a brand that they need to put in the bin after 1 season

Robin Marriott · 28 Aug 2018, 09:16 (Ref:3846696)

Even if that is the rule the MG6 was sold in the UK until 2016 so it’ll have at least 3 more years before it’s a problem.

btccbloke · 28 Aug 2018, 09:31 (Ref:3846698)

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Even if that is the rule the MG6 was sold in the UK until 2016 so it’ll have at least 3 more years before it’s a problem.

... and we will be on the hybrids by then

Evantra · 28 Aug 2018, 13:37 (Ref:3846720)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

And I wonder whether Speedworks changes their Avensis to Auris or Camry. I know Avensis has just gone out of production but maybe some Toyota involvement is on the cards...

Btw what about two-car Speedworks team with Toyota backing and Tingram and Sutton behind the wheels?

Or the brand new Corolla

Alfisti · 28 Aug 2018, 18:39 (Ref:3846767)

Corolla is not going to be sold here so would not be eligible.

New Auris hatch and wagon would be the right size (and are built here in Derbyshire). The Camry saloon will be on sale here too but that is a big barge - bigger than the HARD CC IIRC - so not likely?

Evantra · 28 Aug 2018, 18:58 (Ref:3846771)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Corolla is not going to be sold here so would not be eligible.

New Auris hatch and wagon would be the right size (and are built here in Derbyshire). The Camry saloon will be on sale here too but that is a big barge - bigger than the HARD CC IIRC - so not likely?

The Auris has been renamed the Corolla in the UK, so, we're both right!

Alfisti · 28 Aug 2018, 19:28 (Ref:3846774)

Missed that, sorry! The discussions on the naming, and money thrown at market research, and they've gone and flipped it again.

Mind you, nobody could spell Auris and with a thick Irish accent sounded like another word for bottom!

**touringlegend** · 28 Aug 2018, 20:33 (Ref:3846778)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

And I wonder whether Speedworks changes their Avensis to Auris or Camry. I know Avensis has just gone out of production but maybe some Toyota involvement is on the cards...

Btw what about two-car Speedworks team with Toyota backing and Tingram and Sutton behind the wheels?

Ingram and Plato in a Toyota backed team is my gut if that was to happen.

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