[BTCC] BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Am I right in saying that the engine formula still requires a 2.0L petrol engine?

Is this likely to change in the near future? Do all manufacturers still have 2.0L petrol engines as part of their range?

I thought most car makers now are moving towards 1.8 / 1.6 / 1.4 petrol with turbos etc.

the production engine could be a 1.8 for example and be bored out to be 2 litre

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Am I right in saying that the engine formula still requires a 2.0L petrol engine?

Is this likely to change in the near future? Do all manufacturers still have 2.0L petrol engines as part of their range?

I thought most car makers now are moving towards 1.8 / 1.6 / 1.4 petrol with turbos etc.

TOCA Swindon engine.

[S griffin]

Not sure if another team could run a Corolla for Speedworks? Surely there must be plans for another to race in 2020 somehow

[Minicross424]

A 3rd BMW with Adrian Flux sponsorship driven by Sutton would be a pretty tasty prospect.
Re the second Infinity how about Collard?
Would be good for set up etc and he will be back at home in RWD.

[steve_r]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Am I right in saying that the engine formula still requires a 2.0L petrol engine?

Is this likely to change in the near future? Do all manufacturers still have 2.0L petrol engines as part of their range?

I thought most car makers now are moving towards 1.8 / 1.6 / 1.4 petrol with turbos etc.

BTCC are changing to hybrid engines, but not until 2022. Cosworth are involved.

Link:
http://www.btcc.net/2019/07/23/coswo...stem-contract/

[Johno.UK]

Originally Posted by steve_r

BTCC are changing to hybrid engines, but not until 2022. Cosworth are involved.

Link:
http://www.btcc.net/2019/07/23/coswo...stem-contract/

That's not a change of engines though. It's just a bolt on system to the existing gearbox setups.

[antnee]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Am I right in saying that the engine formula still requires a 2.0L petrol engine?

Is this likely to change in the near future? Do all manufacturers still have 2.0L petrol engines as part of their range?

I thought most car makers now are moving towards 1.8 / 1.6 / 1.4 petrol with turbos etc.

Most manufacturers do have 2.0T's in serial production - off the top of my head, Toyota, BMW/Mini, VAG, Mercedes, Honda, Ford, Renault, Kia/Hyundai, Jaguar - only real notable exceptions are Vauxhall/PSA (which puts a downer on JP's wish for PMR to build their own engines )

[RS67]

Originally Posted by antnee

Most manufacturers do have 2.0T's in serial production - off the top of my head, Toyota, BMW/Mini, VAG, Mercedes, Honda, Ford, Renault, Kia/Hyundai, Jaguar - only real notable exceptions are Vauxhall/PSA (which puts a downer on JP's wish for PMR to build their own engines )

Ford no longer makes a 2.0 petrol engine.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by RS67

Ford no longer makes a 2.0 petrol engine.

Except for the 2L duratec (in partnership with Mazda).

[Robin Marriott]

Originally Posted by antnee

only real notable exceptions are Vauxhall/PSA (which puts a downer on JP's wish for PMR to build their own engines )

The Toca engine is a Vauxhall engine though, remember.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Minicross424

A 3rd BMW with Adrian Flux sponsorship driven by Sutton would be a pretty tasty prospect.
Re the second Infinity how about Collard?
Would be good for set up etc and he will be back at home in RWD.

I am sure BMW would take him if he asked

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by steve_r

Rounds 3 and 6 clash with the Wacky Racers schedule, so Dick Dastardly is fairly unlikely, unless the powers that be agree to have a car share. However, I understand that Speedy Gonzalez may be putting together a budget with backing from a Mexican Cheese conglomerate.

Indeed. The Mexican cheese conglomerate has struck gold. It's selling lorry loads of hard cheese to the US who will store it along the border in very big stacks. So plenty of money to fund Speedy and some blokes he knows with big hats.

The team will be #TeamHAT sponsored by El Cheesy Cheese and Tony G will do the day to day running as a satellite team. They're going to be running some Jags powered by big **** off rockets made by Elon Musk Engines Inc.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Except for the 2L duratec (in partnership with Mazda).

Other than still being used in rallycross, it hasn't been used in a Ford production car in years.

[Evantra]

Andrew Jordan saying on TTT that he'll only be back with WSR next year, or not at all (pretty much)

[touringlegend]

That’s not surprising, he did say Wsr and Dynamics were the only two proper teams once. And Dynamics I don’t believe has a vacancy

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by RS67

Other than still being used in rallycross, it hasn't been used in a Ford production car in years.

It's still used in the Ecosport.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by touringlegend

And Dynamics I don’t believe has a vacancy

For andy jordan

[RS67]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

It's still used in the Ecosport.

Only petrol engines that have been used in the Ecosport are 1.0 and 1.5.

My apologies, I see it is offered as an engine option in America. I'd when better power, performance, economy and emissions are available from the 1.5 Ecoboost engine.

[VXDave]

Originally Posted by antnee

Most manufacturers do have 2.0T's in serial production - off the top of my head, Toyota, BMW/Mini, VAG, Mercedes, Honda, Ford, Renault, Kia/Hyundai, Jaguar - only real notable exceptions are Vauxhall/PSA (which puts a downer on JP's wish for PMR to build their own engines )

I had thought this, although I wonder if you can have an engine that's been in the manufacturer's range in say the last five years - Vauxhall only very recently put the Insignia 2.0T petrol GSi out of production. Remember, you're allowed to have a car that's out of production as long as it's within five years of having been on sale. There's probably a similar rule for engines...

[antnee]

From the info I can find currently, S-Max & Galaxy still have a 2.0 petrol option

[Overboost]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

For andy jordan

Its looking more likely we might still have Jordan on the grid, mid-season word was he was gone, but things have changed.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by antnee

From the info I can find currently, S-Max & Galaxy still have a 2.0 petrol option

What countries are they sold in. Europe only has the option of the 1.5 petrol. The 2.0 engines are diesel.

[VictoriaYorks]

Originally Posted by Overboost

Its looking more likely we might still have Jordan on the grid, mid-season word was he was gone, but things have changed.

I hope so. I do enjoy his racing, it's just what comes out of his mouth that makes him hard to like sometimes

[RS67]

Originally Posted by VXDave

I had thought this, although I wonder if you can have an engine that's been in the manufacturer's range in say the last five years - Vauxhall only very recently put the Insignia 2.0T petrol GSi out of production. Remember, you're allowed to have a car that's out of production as long as it's within five years of having been on sale. There's probably a similar rule for engines...

I guess the proof will be if Motorbase continue with the Focus as if there is a 5yr rule on engines, the 2.0 Ecoboost engine that they use went out of production in 2014. Later engines have the exhaust manifold cast into the cylinder head rather than separate manifold. Mountune found the manifold cast into the head restricted them on how they could tune the engine with regards the TOCA turbo set up. They would need a special dispensation to continue with the same engine if there is a 5yr rule.
The n.a. 2.0 Curated engine isn't direct injection and whilst capable of producing big figures (600-800bhp) with a turbo, I suspect it would be more expensive to get a reliable 380bhp as opposed to the 2.0 Ecoboost engine from it's base 250bhp.
If changing capacity is allowed as it used to be, they could use the 2.3 Ecoboost from the latest ST or RS. In RS form Mountune build road engines 400bhp+. Latest UK spec is 520bhp and in America they have developed a 680bhp engine. So 380bhp shouldn't be a problem.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by VictoriaYorks

I hope so. I do enjoy his racing, it's just what comes out of his mouth that makes him hard to like sometimes

On TTT he said something along the lines of almost getting what would've been the biggest brand in the BTCC on board, but a deal fell through.