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How did I miss this thread for the best part of a week?
Sounds like an excelent idea, although the Willhire 24hours was a bit before my time so I am basing my comment on a 24 hour race "period cars". See you on the grid. |
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You didnt miss it for a week, its been split away from another thread
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Having given this a bit of thought, the idea of an historic 24hrs is interesting. One of the problems I see with "bringing it up to date" as it were, is the crossover with Britcar. That said the sort of car I would select for this would be a Beemer, Porsche 944/911, A Viper GT/RS or similar. Just snooping through racecarsdirect and there are a few suitable rides, all around £35-45k. Then once you buy it you'll need the same amount again to strip it, re build it and prepare it.
A budget racer or clubman isn't going to last five minutes unless the preparation is top notch. 24hrs is a massive step change from 6hrs. For many cars and drivers, it's three seasons of racing! As a minimum it's a new engine, gearbox and diff. Complete strip and re build of the suspension. New electronic ignition units, new fuel system etc. I've just spent £15-30k in that sentence depending on the car. The old Willhire was effectively a run what you brung, road car event. Even then many entrants spent a shedload of time on the cars before they hit the track. These days with fuel system requirements and the necessarily expensive fuel cells to go with, most "clubmen" would blanch at the idea. Not trying to discourage anyone but from experience this is a major leap. |
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arrrh the voice of reason and dont dare think you are discouraging anyone Peter....you are stating facts not fiction and the whole idea of this thread is the same as the last one...its to gauge opinion...and to see if its viable so thank you! PS...I will put you down for two entries???????? lol ;-) |
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I'm currently planning my exit strategy from here, which means I may not be working in April! But, if I could put a team together (sharing costs) and the classes and age range were suitable I'd seriously consider it. Have to sell the car afterwards though so we'd need to win. |
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Thank you - so much support in 48 hours is amazing.......but so there was for the first 360. If this is to happen, we all need to keep the momentum going for the next 12 months. 360MRC really want to do this but we need commitment from our customers to make it happen.
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Johngee if I a being honest I think Mallett is correct the correlation to Britcar is too high and there is probably no chance of filling a grid with hictorics so I fear it is a pipedream unless you get a good sponsor....
However I was similarly disparaging about your 6 hour and a year later have an entry... |
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I think the reason why the 6 hours was originally suggested was because it was thought that that was an acceptable & doable compromise between: endurance, costs, reliability/ preparation requirements of older cars, numbers of available and interested competitors etc. I really think that 6 hours is a reasonable limit for club level competitors. I have worked the pit wall for the Britcar 24 hour race & have seen the effort that went in to running a (well prepared but not highly tuned) Honda Civic and it was vast. We are talking a level of comitment that is a massive step up from the 6 hours & I really believe will need a Britcar level of commitment & budget.
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Weeeell, the chance to race a Viper GT/RS is sorely tempting. Oh noooooooooo!
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There was a genuine ex Oreca Viper at the Britcar 24 hours in (I think) 2008, chassis 3. Lovely old thing, I even sat in it. A bit long in the tooth to be competitive for the Britcar, maybe even then. Great to see stuff like that out but I fear costs would be prohibitive. I do wonder whether we have our feet on the ground here. What is the target market; is it still grass roots?
Edit: OK, John, you've just answered that! |
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To differentiate from Britcar, yet still have a combination of contempory & historic cars, the contempory cars will really have to be in a very limited state of prep. I think I'm right in saying that the original Willhire was for "production cars" & that really meant production - basically a bolt in cage & not much else; even the interior trim stayed in.
Maybe the "historics" (say Pre 1990) could be drawn from the existing race car community but anything newer than that should be a production car, as above. Maybe even driven to the event!!!!!!!! But not necssarily "away from" the event!!!! What would be the refuelling regs? Same as the "6", or Britcar type dry breaks - that's a lot of expense right there. Last edited by andy97; 17 Dec 2010 at 12:22. |
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That has made me smile Simon and not in a nasty way at all. we have to be realistic and as Andy and Peter have said, its a massive leap, it may well be too much or it may well be that the clubbie would not be able to afford it |
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T'is OK Claire, I'll drag him along to deal with feeding the marshals
The technical stuff isn't really my thing, but it does sound to me like there might be some mileage (sorry!) in some sort of relay to give the older vehicles (and perhaps the older drivers ) a bit more of a chance? I know that makes it more of a Birkett than a Willhire but it perhaps reflects the longevity of the cars? Can you run a 24 hours that includes both relay and a non relay classes or categories? The Lotus 1000k worked well as a relay, I know it takes away the challenge of actually "doing" 24 hours but for some vehicles that it clearly not going to be achievable and getting a team to the end does bring some level of satisfaction. |
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Just to elaborate, we're thinking more of the sort of cars that did the 24hr on the Nurburgring - more super road cars than out and out racers. I'm rambling but the Motor sponsored races at Brands Hatch in the 60's. Group 1? ...at least for the contempory cars.
Just read Andy's post and he's 'on the money' |
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The other queston that needs to be answered is, "would historic racers want to share the track with contempory cars"?
It may put people off entering their E type P & J if they think they are going to be sharing the track with someone who may be less bothered about (& get spares easily for) his Kia! Last edited by andy97; 17 Dec 2010 at 12:29. |
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I wonder I could get a hire car for the w/e & have time to bolt in (& then remove) a cage, extinguisher & electical cut off etc before returning it on the monday morning! |
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No! Opps quoted the wrong post I meant to direct that at JohnGee, No I never got the PM sorry, (sounded a bit abrubt didnt it?)
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