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Old 8 Nov 2018, 17:01 (Ref:3861832)   #2251
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You'll be safe I think John. For whatever reason Bauble doesn't seem to be around on here so much lately!
(This is what my wife would call 'fishing', setting the bait to see if he bites and makes a reply!)

He's probably busy writing Christmas cards to his many friends & admirers, Viva.
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 17:02 (Ref:3861833)   #2252
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 17:05 (Ref:3861834)   #2253
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He's probably busy writing Christmas cards to his many friends & admirers, Viva.
Good point John, I will camp out around my post box and await mine...
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 17:09 (Ref:3861835)   #2254
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You're welcome, John. I avoid the expression "be my guest", cose I think it could have different meanings… You must know about carbu.com website, supposed to help you to find the best price nationwide or around your location.

We still dont know whether Bob displays his fluoro or not… Shome shay the answer could be something like wtf!
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 17:56 (Ref:3861846)   #2255
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When the added ‘you can hear more by watching our documentary tonight’ was broadcast the whole thing made sense- Another Promo!
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Old 8 Nov 2018, 18:33 (Ref:3861850)   #2256
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Old 9 Nov 2018, 07:23 (Ref:3861923)   #2257
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John, do "they" have the super ethanol thing in UK? If yes how is it. Any neighbor in France using a kit? I'm very close to convert at least one car. Did anyone experience super ethanol in a race car? Cant be more corrosive than the 102!
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Old 9 Nov 2018, 07:26 (Ref:3861924)   #2258
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John, do "they" have the super ethanol thing in UK? If yes how is it. Any neighbor in France using a kit? I'm very close to convert at least one car. Did anyone experience super ethanol in a race car? Cant be more corrosive than the 102!
I'm sorry Gerard, I don't know.
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Old 9 Nov 2018, 11:37 (Ref:3861956)   #2259
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From what I understand of the economics and moral aspects of ethanol it's useful as a performance fuel - used in the USA in particular for many years especially in oval racing - for added power from vehicles with engines appropriately built and tuned. Drag racing comes to mind.

Pretty poor on any other basis and most likely would not be in use if not mandated by governments.

I think E10 might be in fairly wide use but not necessarily labelled as such. It may allow fudged national CO2 emission numbers. Numbers are everything.

I don't think we have E85 (or at least I don't recall seeing any) in the UK.

I think it sells where the after tax price is significantly reduced compared to regular fuel grades because people think they are getting a price bargain. I wonder if they really are?

Here is a link that sort of discusses the economics aspect related to a flex-fuel car.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...se-to-buy-e85/

I also recall that when hi-Ethanol content fuels were introduced in Scandinavia Saab and Volvo introduced special Bio models designed to work with those fuels. It might have been simply a ruse to tap into potentially higher profit margins by those who could afford to be virtue signallers but as I recall they used different components - especially anything related to rubbery pipes and some metal items - to reduce the adverse effects of the ethanol.

As for the economics .... a decade or more age I read that if the source cropp was grown more than 50 miles from the ethanol product plant and the resulting fuel was used more then 50 miles from the plant the real cost of manufacture and distribution, compared to fossil fuels, was not competitive.

So the conclusion then would have been that it would be a great option if you could harvest material and distil the ethanol yourself but somewhat poor if not. Likewise maybe ok if doing your own car maintenance but not so good if paying others.

Whether any of that has changed I don't know. It might be worth a dedicated thread ?


ETA: If you have 25mins to spare here is an interesting take on things from Australia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltWcgiCm4NY

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A little more on ethanol from a technical POV.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATGSBi1kBl0
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According to Classic Car Weekly this week the government minister responsible (if any are) has told them that even after E10 becomes the main fuel available here, a lower ethanol (E5 perhaps) version will still be on sale.....
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According to Classic Car Weekly this week the government minister responsible (if any are) has told them that even after E10 becomes the main fuel available here, a lower ethanol (E5 perhaps) version will still be on sale.....
Here in Germany I have a choice of E10 or ethanol-free 95 octane in my local Shell garage (also 98 octane, 102 octane, diesel and high-performance diesel). The ethanol-free is about 2 cents more expensive per litre.
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Here in Germany I have a choice of E10 or ethanol-free 95 octane in my local Shell garage (also 98 octane, 102 octane, diesel and high-performance diesel). The ethanol-free is about 2 cents more expensive per litre.
Thatís a good selection! Never seen 102 octane on a modern forecourt here, V-Power 99 the best available.....
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Thatís a good selection! Never seen 102 octane on a modern forecourt here, V-Power 99 the best available.....

Momentum 99 at Tesco.


Other retailers seem to offer 97 octane as their top offering.


2 cents per litre price reduction for 3% or so less energy content does not seem like a good deal to me ... about par on total cost per km I suppose.
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Lots of my engineering /racing mates swear by the 99 Tesco fuel .
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