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GOODWOOD REVIVAL
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7 Sep 2018 to 9 Sep 2018 07:30 to 17:30
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Old 2 Nov 2018, 13:42 (Ref:3860559)   #331
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If you take the Revival and the MM is going this way too, the cars are built/restored by the major outfits such as Team Dynamics, Jordan (Andrew and Mike) etc. Unlike my car these have been built using laser technology etc. The owners are people like Steve Soper, (who incidentally is a nice chap), Patrick Watts etc. We've had this conversation before BTW, when I suggested that maybe it wasn't a good idea.
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Old 2 Nov 2018, 13:53 (Ref:3860563)   #332
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"Trust". That's the thrust of Meadon's article in MS. Trust who you're racing alongside. It's clear who it was aimed at...

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"Trust". That's the thrust of Meadon's article in MS. Trust who you're racing alongside. It's clear who it was aimed at...

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I've not read the article in question so please treat my following comments as a 'generalisation' and not a dig at anyone in particular.
Over my 40 odd years of being a motorsport fan (especially anything classed as a tin-top) I have seen a number of 'personalities' be that in a writing sense, or someone who appears on National Radio & TV (for example) use their position of power from their day job to berate & complain about a fellow competitor who doesn't have the same opportunity to get their side of the story across to anywhere near as many people.
As I say, I'm not saying that is what's happened here, I'm just saying...
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He didn't have a go, but the underlying message was clear.......

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watching that video (again) granted the two minis ahead mask the gritty detail, but we know both cars are flat out in a straight line on the Lavan straight, some way before the breaking point for Woodcote.

The Cortina makes a very obvious and quite (for 120mph) acute move to it's right. just before the mini skids and veers left off track etc. Which is why I don't think its an accident. If it's a racing incident, then, in my humble opinion, its an illegal one for a non contact sport.

I had a customer visit a few weeks back, who also happens to know a few other older racers I know . . . . they all raced together with Soper in minis years ago as he was 'climbing the ladder' They all share the same opinion of him, and it's not the same as Peters!
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watching that video (again) granted the two minis ahead mask the gritty detail, but we know both cars are flat out in a straight line on the Lavan straight, some way before the breaking point for Woodcote.

The Cortina makes a very obvious and quite (for 120mph) acute move to it's right. just before the mini skids and veers left off track etc. Which is why I don't think its an accident. If it's a racing incident, then, in my humble opinion, its an illegal one for a non contact sport.

I had a customer visit a few weeks back, who also happens to know a few other older racers I know . . . . they all raced together with Soper in minis years ago as he was 'climbing the ladder' They all share the same opinion of him, and it's not the same as Peters!
I could give you the quote I got from John Cleland after 'that' famous BTCC incident at the end of the '92 season but I couldn't possibly do so here! I certainly couldn't use it in my race report...
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watching that video (again) granted the two minis ahead mask the gritty detail, but we know both cars are flat out in a straight line on the Lavan straight, some way before the breaking point for Woodcote.
The Cortina makes a very obvious and quite (for 120mph) acute move to it's right. just before the mini skids and veers left off track etc. Which is why I don't think its an accident. If it's a racing incident, then, in my humble opinion, its an illegal one for a non contact sport.

I don't personally know any of those involved and have never driven the circuit but it appears to me that the Cortina would have been moving quite a bit quicker than the Minis at that point and JO's move to the right would have been to pass the Minis before Woodcote or at least be on their right in the braking area. I can't see that he would have deliberately nudged the Mini at that point as the obvious result for himself was exactly as we could see - JO departing rapidly off the other side of the track.
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According to Motorsport mag it appears that Jackie Oliver has had enough of historic racing following a meeting with stewards following St Mary trophy race.
I think it is worth pointing out that any decision to penalise a driver is based on the Clerk of the Course weighing up of all the evidence available to him, and that opinion is, unlike a court of law, based on the balance of probability and the clerk's experience.

At the Goodwood meetings (both Members and Revival) I believe that they Clerk is also assisted by a former driver to offer his opinion on driving standards and they have access to all the TV footage, not just what is broadcast. (Looking back at my programme I believe it was Martin Donnelly at this years event). The clerk would almost certainly have included a chat with the driver, giving the chance for him to put his point of view about what happened before the decision was taken.

Any decision the clerk makes about driving standards can then be appealed, by the driver, to the Stewards of the Meeting (who include an experienced/licensed MSA Steward as well as two other Stewards) as well as the aggrieved party within the appropriate time limits. In this case it would appear that not only the Clerk thought the penalty was appropriate but the Stewards as well.

Now I haven't seen the incident in question, so can't comment on that, but it does seem like the driver would have had a fair chance to explain his side of things.
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Uh-huh, I'd agree with that. He will have been given fair chance to say his piece twice over.

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I could give you the quote I got from John Cleland after 'that' famous BTCC incident at the end of the '92 season but I couldn't possibly do so here! I certainly couldn't use it in my race report...
John, I saw the incident, and I interviewed John Cleland after the race, he had no doubts about the intention of his opponent, and I totally agreed with his view. I don't think I was able to use all of the interview on air.
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Pot, kettle and black are the words that came to mind when I saw his comments.
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John, I saw the incident, and I interviewed John Cleland after the race, he had no doubts about the intention of his opponent, and I totally agreed with his view. I don't think I was able to use all of the interview on air.

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Not about the incident and if we're talking about the same race, how do you explain Soper joining the leading pack after spinning and with a damaged car? First suggestion is: he found a short cut, second: he was driving on another planet. Again, nothing to see with what happened later.

Anyway, should the CoC have sanctioned beyond limits racing, very few would have seen the checkered flag, dont you think so?

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Not about the incident and if we're talking about the same race, how do you explain Soper joining the leading pack after spinning and with a damaged car? First suggestion is: he found a short cut, second: he was driving on another planet. Again, nothing to see with what happened later.

Anyway, should the CoC have sanctioned beyond limits racing, very few would have seen the checkered flag, dont you think so?

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Soper did a similar amazing drive earlier in the season. I think it was Donington and he spun at the Old Hairpin ending up way down the field if not completely last. He managed to get back to second or third if I remember correctly.
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