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There was indeed widespread change... enter BA racer vs VZ. The start of a totally new era and the first sign of a real execution of the parity formula. Btw, where are you getting your 'facts' from, Tourer. Some evidence would be good and not just hearsay! |
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Testing was done last year VE vs FG - again, got a lot of coverage in the motorsport media. Simple Simon has referred to it as part of his view (last year anyway) that the FG and VE are equally matched. |
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I'm getting my facts from being a full time senior employee with one of the teams in the paddock at the time. I was there right in the middle of it - no hearsay to be found here. We were all involved in the process and were fully briefed - didn't necessarily like it at the time but it is what happened. |
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So, I am correct. There were was no aero testing of VE done compared to BF. This is where the issue lies and Holden would have clear grounds for this issue to be assessed through 'Empirical Testing'. EDIT just read your other post regarding VE vs FG... where is the evidence of the aero tests, PLEASE? |
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Correction on my part (and my apology! ). There were aero tests done as this article indicates. The tests appear to measure downforce as I understand it...
http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Ins...ity+test+.html But did 'you' also measure drag on both racers as distinct to downforce? If the aero differences are negligible f-r and 'drag', why are we even talking about parity? |
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But was 'drag' measured and if so, how so? |
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I didn't measure anything at the tests as I wasn't at them but the process is fully explained to the teams (and I'm pretty sure has been covered in the media before). Both downforce and drag are definitely measured in the tests. Your last line is my point right from the start - to my mind there is good parity (that is, parity in potential performance) between the two makes - extracting that performance is down to teams / drivers and that is the difference that is currently being seen (in my view at least). So no need for a parity review that I can see - but a number of teams (both red and blue) that would normally be expected to be right up there haven't been there consistently this year and clearly those teams have work to do. |
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If the cars are technically equal, then it must be said that the Holden teams have some serious work to do to catch up. No amount of whinging should undo that! I'm curious to know why the Holden teams believed they were disadvantaged by 0.1s per minute lap, last year. What possible evidence could they draw from their data to come up with those figures? PS: The Wheels article also states there have been a series of 6 aero tests conducted thus far (and Tourer, you are correct again, the VE and BF were in fact aero tested! - Doh! ) |
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I'm not fulltime with a team anymore so this is definitely hearsay but I was told last year that Simple Simon's "evidence" was based on very limited data - don't know whether that meant qualifying or fastest lap only from a race or what. In any case, it didn't really look across the whole field enough. Could even have been skewing the "evidence" to suit an argument (possibly, allegedly etc). |
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http://www.v8x.com.au/cms/A_108532/article.html FG vs VE testing [url]http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/News/Inside+a+V8+Supercar+aero+parity+test+.html[/url |
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I always (incorrectly) believed that the VE racer was just a cosmetic changeover from VZ, without having undergone any aero validation. Further, I had little idea that 6 aero tests have been conducted, some on previously tested models. That would be a reasonably conclusive testing strategy, one would think? Still, you have to wonder why the 888 cars are so much better than the rest of the field as no team has dominated the field (reference, sheer pace) as much as they have since the culmination of Project Blueprint! |
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None of the above matters if the car isn't better in one or more areas.
The 888 cars must be better mousetraps but how so? That's the question! Once the other teams find out about their 'developments', we're back at square one. Having said that, the 888 cars are extremely well driven and as far as race tactics and pitstop efficiency goes... they are clearly better than the rest! Lift your game HRT and other Holden runners! |
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