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Old 26 Mar 2003, 10:46 (Ref:548531)   #1
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Bendy Renault and other stories

I don't want to take anything away from Renault, because I reckon this sort of thing is fair game anyway, but has anyone seen the pictures of the flexing Renault rear bodywork? The flat sections either side of the exhausts (inside rear wheels and leading to the rear wing) appear to lay down low at modest speeds and then get sucked up by several inches when on the straights. I guess it puts less air over the bottom element of the rear wing and gives less drag on the straights.

Clever stuff, but surely illegal as a moveable aerodynamic device, albeit one for which there is currently no test.

Also, there has been a little bit of talk (on BBs) about the amount of movement seen on front wings of various cars from this new low-line on-board camera. The scrutineering tests work by hanging weights on the wing end plates - the weights pull straight down with gravity, whereas drag acts in a more horizontal fashion and it seems that they are able to get a bit of movement that doesn't show up under the tests. Again, clever stuff but pushing it.
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 11:43 (Ref:548569)   #2
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I did notice that the Renault bodywork was flapping during the race. Are any of the F1 officials looking into it?
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 14:44 (Ref:548801)   #3
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The renault was allmost certainly designed that way-well done mike G!
Wether the fia attempts to make a rule against it depends on lots of factors-including wether max wants to slow down one team or another.......
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 14:54 (Ref:548815)   #4
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Have you got any pics/proof/whatever?

I can't see anything about it on the net...
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 16:31 (Ref:548885)   #5
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There is a good thread about it on the Atlas technical forum - I won't paste the pictures because it is already there for you to see.

I don't think the FIA needs to make a rule about it - it is already illegal. More a question of if they need to devise a test for it. If it is as extreme as appears then they will probably do what they did to Ferrari (and others?) last year over the rear wings - ie. tell them to play the game.
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 16:52 (Ref:548906)   #6
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 17:03 (Ref:548912)   #7
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Re: Bendy Renault and other stories

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The flat sections either side of the exhausts (inside rear wheels and leading to the rear wing) appear to lay down low at modest speeds and then get sucked up by several inches when on the straights.
Have to say that i noticed that from the onboard "looking backwards" shot.

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Old 26 Mar 2003, 17:36 (Ref:548950)   #8
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 17:49 (Ref:548968)   #9
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I noticed that too during the race. I'm not sure if it is intentional. On the telly it was only just in shot of a rear facing camera, but it was clear to see.
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 18:05 (Ref:548992)   #10
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Ah come on - nothing is unintentional in F1... not if it moves that much.
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 18:28 (Ref:549019)   #11
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I was just about to post a thread on this!!

I too was just watching the recording I made of the GP at Sepang, and noticed at high speed the rear of the bodywork was flexing, and when they braked for a corner it kind of "dropped downwards".

Is that legal?
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 19:19 (Ref:549103)   #12
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I don't think it meets the spirit of the rules, although it may not be out-and-out illegal, I guess it depends on what the FIA's definition of an aerodynamic device is. At any rate, I don't suspect we will see it for much longer, the FIA will put a stop to it...
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 20:30 (Ref:549186)   #13
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i noticed it too, seems quite clever to me, but how does it actually work
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 22:53 (Ref:549388)   #14
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I don't understand how the bodywork manages to go *up* at high speed...?!
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Old 26 Mar 2003, 23:05 (Ref:549405)   #15
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If something is moving on the aerodynamics, then its illegal. I think the initial wings in the late 60's moved, but they were banned when the wing rules were changed in 1969.
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