Pescarolo/Courage hybrids: The same(almost)?

**Bentley03** · 18 Feb 2005, 12:06 (Ref:1229252)

I would be interested to know the differences between these cars. Not so long ago we were expecting two very different beasts. But as news has filtered through the similarities are obvious (chassis/engine).

Will either team have a car to humble the Audi's? Which is likely to be quicker, which more reliable, and will Yves or Henri be wearing the bigger smile at 16:00 on 19th June.

Fab · 18 Feb 2005, 12:37 (Ref:1229268)

My 2 p (even if specialists fits more the situation here) : the Courage chassis is homologated under the name "Courage", but the Pescarolo car is different enough now to wear the name of Pescarolo.

Both hybrid cars are brand new, and no test has been done yet.

I'm not sure it will be enough to beat the Audis...

bernard b · 18 Feb 2005, 12:54 (Ref:1229284)

hum ...
correct me if I'm wrong, but Pescarolo uses the Judd GV5 while Courage plans to use GV4

fia289 · 18 Feb 2005, 13:29 (Ref:1229312)

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Originally Posted by bernard b

hum ...
correct me if I'm wrong, but Pescarolo uses the Judd GV5 while Courage plans to use GV4

Last the we've heard.

Also I doubt that the cars will look alike, different aero thinking between the two...

Fred

gwyllion · 18 Feb 2005, 13:35 (Ref:1229320)

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Originally Posted by bernard b

hum ...
correct me if I'm wrong, but Pescarolo uses the Judd GV5 while Courage plans to use GV4

Yes, accoring to the ACO entries list:
COURAGE COMPETITION FRA LM P1 COURAGE JUDD 3997A
PESCAROLO SPORT FRA LMP 1 PESCAROLO JUDD 4997A

**Bentley03** · 18 Feb 2005, 13:44 (Ref:1229328)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

Yes, accoring to the ACO entries list:
COURAGE COMPETITION FRA LM P1 COURAGE JUDD 3997A
PESCAROLO SPORT FRA LMP 1 PESCAROLO JUDD 4997A

How do these engines compare? GV5 more BHP/Torque+weight+fuel? Pescarolo seems to be the only team to choose the five litre Judd which I find interesting. Simply a reaction to the underpowered Peugeot engine?

Tim Northcutt · 18 Feb 2005, 13:45 (Ref:1229331)

Although I have not seen any images of the actual hybrids, you can see the different approaches that Yves Courage and the guy who did the Pescarolo revisions (I believe it was Mr. de Constanze?) took with the C60...

I'm assuming that Pescarolo will be utilizing those aero revisions that have been made to their original Courage chassis in this new hybrid.

To see the diffeences, with good explanations, got to:

www.mulsannescorner.com

Hope that helps you

**Bentley03** · 18 Feb 2005, 14:12 (Ref:1229355)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Northcutt

.....Hope that helps you

Yes, thank you Tim, I had forgotten about MM

If I remember rightly, in 2003 one of the Pescas (the 18 Minassian car I think) ran similar aeros to the factory C60, and the other more like the 2004 spec car.

Félix · 18 Feb 2005, 16:19 (Ref:1229458)

Pescarolo can't afford much windtunnel work and already tested a 2005 LMP1 aero-kit on an airport runway with Henri at the wheel. André de Cortanze is still penning this updated car, although budget keeps him from doing a proper P1, in most efficient GTP form... What I'm hoping to see with the C60 LMP1 is some more streamlining done on a C65 basis, but the basic elements are already there.

tblincoe · 18 Feb 2005, 16:36 (Ref:1229479)

both cars have been tested and the cars are highly different with totally different aero packages and engines.

jhansen · 18 Feb 2005, 16:46 (Ref:1229492)

Quote from Bentley03: "How do these engines compare? GV5 more BHP/Torque+weight+fuel? Pescarolo seems to be the only team to choose the five litre Judd which I find interesting. Simply a reaction to the underpowered Peugeot engine?"

Rollcentre Racing ran the GV5 last year if I recall and will still use one in the non-Nissan car this year. I want to say that NASAMAX has a GV5, but I may be wrong on that one.

gwyllion · 18 Feb 2005, 16:55 (Ref:1229497)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhansen

Rollcentre Racing ran the GV5 last year if I recall and will still use one in the non-Nissan car this year. I want to say that NASAMAX has a GV5, but I may be wrong on that one.

Just look at the list of 34 definate entries:
TEAM NASAMAX GBR LM P1 NASAMAX JUDD 4997A
COURAGE COMPETITION FRA LM P1 COURAGE JUDD 3997A
PESCAROLO SPORT FRA LMP 1 PESCAROLO JUDD 4997A
ROLLCENTRE RACING GBR LMP1 - LMP 900 DALLARA JUDD 4000A
RACING FOR HOLLAND NLD LMP1 - LMP 900 DOME JUDD 3998A

Nasamax and Pescarolo use the GV5, while RfH, Courage and Rollcentre use the GV4.

jhansen · 18 Feb 2005, 16:57 (Ref:1229499)

Did Rollcentre switch? I thought we all spoke about them using the GV5 last year??

**Bentley03** · 18 Feb 2005, 17:19 (Ref:1229524)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Nasamax and Pescarolo use the GV5, while RfH, Courage and Rollcentre use the GV4.

Forgot about Nasamax. Combined with last years aero package they were quickest through the speed traps last year if I recall correctly.

lj79 · 18 Feb 2005, 17:24 (Ref:1229531)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bentley03

Yes, thank you Tim, I had forgotten about MM

If I remember rightly, in 2003 one of the Pescas (the 18 Minassian car I think) ran similar aeros to the factory C60, and the other more like the 2004 spec car.

Nope - #'s 17 and 18 looked exactly the same to me. The P675 Courage had was similar to the works P900 though

**Bentley03** · 18 Feb 2005, 18:00 (Ref:1229556)

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Originally Posted by lj79

Nope - #'s 17 and 18 looked exactly the same to me. The P675 Courage had was similar to the works P900 though

Agreed, I stand corrected

Fab · 1 Mar 2005, 04:54 (Ref:1238646)

Soheil Ayari posted a report of his first laps on the Dijon Prenois' track, on his Website (but I found it thanks to Jérôme Mugnier's Virages

One day was canceled due to

now: ; the test was performed with a track significantly under zero... It's freezing there !

Fab · 5 Mar 2005, 19:49 (Ref:1243526)

Thanks to Laurent - and Pescarolo Team - on Infocourse, we've now a very precise idea of what is the new Pescarolo Hybrid !

**PascaLM** · 5 Mar 2005, 21:00 (Ref:1243592)

I only see the mutilated rear part of the car...

tblincoe · 5 Mar 2005, 21:17 (Ref:1243608)

thanks for the pic Fab, looks to me like they've placed the air-box in the second head-rest in the same fashion as the G-Force and Krusse Courage C65s...

**Bentley03** · 13 Mar 2005, 20:50 (Ref:1251104)

Plenty of articles confirming the Courage C60H has been testing but no pictures. Have any been posted anywhere?

tblincoe · 13 Mar 2005, 23:15 (Ref:1251175)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bentley03

Plenty of articles confirming the Courage C60H has been testing but no pictures. Have any been posted anywhere?

not that i'm aware of...

Fab · 14 Mar 2005, 04:33 (Ref:1251254)

No, the livery is not completed yet.

Sid The Manager · 14 Mar 2005, 07:51 (Ref:1251297)

Saw both on the Bugatti circuit, they do look very different, Pesca is running % litre Judd, Courage 4 litre

Sid The Manager · 14 Mar 2005, 07:51 (Ref:1251299)

*pesca 5 litre

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