The Ferrari hearing outcome!

Marcel ten Caat · 26 Jun 2002, 09:39 (Ref:321901)

Million dollar fine for Ferrari

No points deducted for Austrian GP antics

Ferrari has got away a fine of one million dollars after appearing in front of the FIA world council to explain its action at the Austrian GP.

(Autosport)

**Peter Mallett** · 26 Jun 2002, 09:44 (Ref:321905)

Hmm,

So bringing the sport into disrepute is a monetary thing and not a sporting thing. Interesting.

BTW. I don't think team orders are wrong it was just the way this was done. An easy let off if you think they actually did do something wrong which the FIA apparently did.

Jukebox · 26 Jun 2002, 09:44 (Ref:321906)

a million bucks added into FIA's coffer

Marcel ten Caat · 26 Jun 2002, 09:44 (Ref:321907)

the official statement is on FIA.com

they have to pay 50% immediately and 50% is suspended for 1 year.

Wrex · 26 Jun 2002, 09:47 (Ref:321909)

$500,000 each for Michael and Ferrari. Interesting how they came up with that.

FG1 · 26 Jun 2002, 09:50 (Ref:321912)

A whitewash. They should have got a substantial points deduction. Something to say "This is NOT going to happen again".

Still, it will put the poorer teams off messing around, but it's just peanuts to Ferrari.

FG

Marcel ten Caat · 26 Jun 2002, 09:52 (Ref:321913)

Here is the official FIA press release:

http://www.fia.com/PRESSE/F1-A/2002/26-06-2002.pdf

FG1 · 26 Jun 2002, 09:55 (Ref:321915)

A pretty pathetic effort (the press release) by the FIA IMO.

FG

Red · 26 Jun 2002, 09:56 (Ref:321917)

Interesting:

Quote:

From FIA official Press release:

The WMSC deplored the manner in which team orders were given and executed at the Austrian Grand Prix. Nevertheless the Council finds it impossible to sanction the two drivers, because they were both contractually bound to execute orders given by the team.

The Council also recognised the long-standing and traditional right of a team to decree the finishing order of its drivers in what it believes to be the best interest of its attempt to win both world championships.

In the circumstances, the Council decided; with some reluctance; that it could take no action over the team orders given by Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro at the Austrian Grand Prix.

PS: Rubens is included in the list of the guys who gotta pay too....

PPS: Max Press Conference at 15:00 CET

Andrew Kitson · 26 Jun 2002, 10:00 (Ref:321918)

Maybe FIA stands for 'Ferrari Internal Affairs' afterall!

rdjones · 26 Jun 2002, 10:00 (Ref:321919)

Joke, a complete Joke, they should have been fined a lot more.

TwoSheds · 26 Jun 2002, 10:01 (Ref:321920)

A total cop out IMO, if the FIA wanted to make sure it didn't happen again there should have been points deducted (from the team at least).

Red · 26 Jun 2002, 10:01 (Ref:321921)

Andrew, other than not liking the outcome, can you argument your statement?

**Adam43** · 26 Jun 2002, 10:05 (Ref:321923)

Oh.

I suppose says to the world: The FIA didn't like it (a lot, $1m worth of a lot), but hey they didn't do anything wrong.

I don't know what to think really. I think I was hoping for either nothing or a points deduction (even though I don't think they should have had a deduction). Not a fine.

Hmmmm. I'm still not sure what to think.

At least it told Ferrari that what they did was pants.

Jukebox · 26 Jun 2002, 10:08 (Ref:321925)

points deducted for what? for winning? for the team orders? for giving the cup to Ruben?

did they break any rules? i think not!

**Adam43** · 26 Jun 2002, 10:11 (Ref:321928)

The fine was just for the podium stuff. Was that really worth $1m?

And the FIA said that the team orders were disgraceful, but they are allowed.

Pretty much what, I think, most here thought. 10-10ths for world motorsport governing body?

Red · 26 Jun 2002, 10:11 (Ref:321929)

$1 million is a lot. But I believe that: "Michael Schumacher took the trophy for first place from the Austrian Chancellor, did not acknowledge him," is worthy....

paulzinho · 26 Jun 2002, 10:11 (Ref:321930)

Probably bringing the sport into disrepute, thats breaking a law, why can't everyone see that.

The fine is a joke, a complete joke. F1 must be the laughing stock of the world, sport? Nah that died ages ago.

Suzy · 26 Jun 2002, 10:12 (Ref:321931)

$1 million isn't very much when you consider the team budgets. They probably spend more money on catering each weekend...

Andrew Kitson · 26 Jun 2002, 10:13 (Ref:321932)

Whenever it is Michael or Ferrari, the FIA are soft on penalties...look at the barge board thing or Michael vs. JV in 97!

**Peter Mallett** · 26 Jun 2002, 10:14 (Ref:321933)

I do think it's a bit strange that the FIA couldn't do anything (then fined them) because the drivers are contractually bound to accept team orders.

I recall the hoo ha that the then new Superlicence caused in (i think) 1981. This new superlicence bound thye drivers to the FISA as it was then. So if the FIA wrote ther contracts (superlicences) why make a fuss about Austria? Apparently the statements say that the drivers did nothing wrong. Ergo the team did nothing wrong to instruct its drivers, so what's the fine for?

Yours truly
Confused of Kazakhstan.

Kenny W. · 26 Jun 2002, 10:16 (Ref:321934)

It's only a half million the other half is suspended for a year pending a similar (podium) offence.

**Adam43** · 26 Jun 2002, 10:21 (Ref:321938)

Jukebox, as I say in my post here and on other threads, I agree with you. Points deduction, for what? They didn't do anything wrong on the track . Left a bad taste, but it wasn't wrong.

I just thought it should happen to make life around here more interesting.

Peter, the fine is for the silliness, embarrassment and backtracking on the podium. "Michael take your trophy like a man" - JV! I suppose this means Michael has been fined for not being a man.

NiceGuyEddie · 26 Jun 2002, 10:44 (Ref:321941)

Well, the whole teamorderthingy is totally irrelevant to this hearing. The FIA will not and can not fine Ferrari over their teamorders, nor over the way they were carried out. So that is one clear statement and out off the way.

One million dollars over the podiumceremonie is a bit harsh in my view. With this decision the FIA is neglecting the situation at that time. The situation was that not Ross Brawn, not Jean Todt, not Rubens Barrichello, but solely Michael Schumacher, minutes after finishing a GP. had to answer publically and personally to a hostile crowd.

Schumacher had effectively no room to manouvre, and could do nothing else than to give that crowd what they wanted, the moral victory for Rubens. So he did it, and arguably with the best of motives.

Its obvious that the FIA was emberassed by the blunt way in which Ferrari decided the outcome of the Austrian GP at managementlevel. It´s a consequence and illustration in the state in which F1 is today. Certainly the FIA finds itself, as responsible for the quality of F1 racing, cornered by Ferrari´s tactics and the way they are carried out.

There would be no problem whatsoever if Ferrari would be less open about it. The fact that Ferrari is able to be so blunt about it, is a matter of regulation and therefor a matter of the FIA, not of Ferrari.

NiceGuyEddie · 26 Jun 2002, 10:45 (Ref:321942)

Peter, the fine is for messing up the podiumceremony.

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