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10 Aug 2018, 20:04 (Ref:3842872) | #476 | |
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Nope, and that isn't what MaskedRacer was meaning, which we all know. But cool, no problem
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Then what is it? Because Caddy would tout it as a Caddy win? Hell, everytime one of the 4 P2 costructors cars win they tout it too. What in the hell is the difference, other than it is DPi rather than P2 constructors? NOTHING! Check their twitter feeds. L.P. |
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10 Aug 2018, 20:38 (Ref:3842883) | #478 | |
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Do I really need to explain why Cadillac would like a Cadillac JDC car to win over an ORECA JDC car? And why that's a good thing for Cadillac? I'm not sure how to actually word that, it's such a simple concept.
Next up: I'm going to explain why I prefer earning more money, rather than less! Anyway, real discussion: What are ESM Actually going to do? They aren't continuing with the Nissan and I can't imagine anyone taking those cars and paying the Nissan entry fee. There are a couple of ORECA chassis kicking about, so that's an option. Other than that, GTD? The RACER article has worryingly little detail. |
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So which is it? The argument was, they would no longer be a PRIVATEER TEAM, in your own words! Or is it gonna change again? L.P. |
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10 Aug 2018, 20:55 (Ref:3842885) | #480 | |
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Ohhhhh. I see what you're getting at. Deliberately missing the point to try and look smart. Very good. Doesn't change what the intention was since we were discussing LMP2 v DPi, making the point kinda obvious, but we're going to ignore that because we need a chance to score some internet points! Awesome.
Anyway - DPi - Acura x2 Caddy x5 Mazda x2 Nissan x0 (unless a sale comes in). LMP2 CORE x1 PR1 x1 PerfTech x1 Any likely expansions or is this what we're looking at next year? Any chance of the LMP2 teams expanding to a second car? We know United aren't returning, but could we see anyone else run Daytona? |
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Right, how dare I take it for what and how it was said! Also, where is the notion that ESM will not be in the Nissans next year coming from? That is NOT what the article says. https://racer.com/2018/08/10/esm-to-...vity-for-2019/ L.P. |
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10 Aug 2018, 21:11 (Ref:3842890) | #482 | |
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Yeh, almost like conversation is dependant in context! Glad we sorted that one out. We’ll have none of that context here thank you very much!
Quite right, I miss read that article completely. So their intention is to continue but seems funding would now be from selling customers. I think that’d be optimistic at best. Unfortunately I wouldn’t be surprised to see none of those sold. It’s slipping behind the Riley Mazda as a package, and previous Riley customers have learnt the lesson the hard way. Worrying situation but very sad. Race winners to entry in jeopardy in such a short space of time, and Nissan don’t seem that fussed with it. |
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Context? 'Eliminate the nescient threat that a smaller operation like JDC and Core are providing'. How in the heck are they eliminating that threat by providing the likes of JDC and Core with a more competitive chassis (within the DPi mfgs. eyes)? That dog don't hunt! L.P. |
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Factory backed/supported vs privateer with an off the shelf LMP2 car. JDC supported the split, but that may be at least in part due to them seeking--and getting--a DPI chassis/engine for next year.
IMO, we're getting into a possible situation where the factory supported teams have spent money on development and don't want to be pegged back to a non-developed ACO compliant car that a fraction of the money has been spent on. Granted, a lot of this is IMSA's own making by allowing DPIs development that the LMP2s couldn't have due to the ACO agreement, yet wanting to keep LMP2 as the primary performance bench mark. |
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10 Aug 2018, 23:57 (Ref:3842907) | #485 | |
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Don’t get what this big argument is about-
Cadillac would rather a potential race winner in JDC is running a Caddy, instead of another brand of car. That way if JDC win, Caddy say Yay we won! Go Caddy! If Action Express win, yay we won! go Caddy! Point is outside of pure race fans the only thing in a marketing perspective is a Caddy car won. Doesn’t matter if it’s factory or privateer or some mix of both- a car... made by Caddy... won.... |
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Not to get into semantics, but it'd be a Dallara chassis, GM engine that won, both badged by Cadillac.
But I get the point. We've already seen that Cadillac doesn't care much who wins...as long as it's a Cadillac DPI of some type. The addition of JDC I doubt changes that. Last edited by chernaudi; 11 Aug 2018 at 00:44. |
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Either ESM needs another sponsor to cover it, there need to be enough sales of Nissan DPis to cover it, or there need to be enough of both to cover it together. It is not IMPOSSIBLE, not by any stretch of the imagination, but it IS going to be an uphill battle for ESM to still be a Nissan DPi team next year. |
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11 Aug 2018, 06:50 (Ref:3842936) | #488 | |
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I feel the need to point out that JDC Miller isn't even really a properly new outside GM team, it's just Stallings getting his car again.
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11 Aug 2018, 18:26 (Ref:3843033) | #490 | |
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Do you have to pay the manufacturer fee every year? If so, is it the same cost? That seems excessive imo. I could see a one-time fee of a pretty large sum and then once entered the fee to stay becomes significantly less.
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What is this fee supposed to do (aside from line IMSA's and NASCAR's pockets)?
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$300,000 is the manufacturer entry fee. $700,000 is for advertising expenses. It is paid as a full $1m.
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As Akrapovic noted, 700 grand of it is SUPPOSED to be for advertising, but IMSA's been rather...silent on how they've been using that. From outside observation they don't seem to have done much of anything with it. The rest of basically an additional entry fee. This is why myself and numerous others(inside and out) derisively refer to it as a mandated bribe. It doesn't seem to be used for anything and it's in addition to standard entry fees. |
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I wonder if any of it went to NBC. (Or fox)
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13 Aug 2018, 19:33 (Ref:3843451) | #496 | |
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The Daytona 24 race this year shows that a field size in the mid 40's works very well. If the 2019 race gets a 42-46 car grid then we can be in for a good one again.
60,70, even 80 car grids are no longer needed anyway because of reliability of the race cars has improved so much. You don't get 40% of the field finishing the race like in the 1990's. Today its 80-90% |
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And MP now reporting Juncos to Caddy for next year.
https://twitter.com/marshallpruett/s...288792576?s=19 |
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15 Aug 2018, 14:36 (Ref:3843784) | #499 | ||
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Woow, that's a surprise and a good news, but we have a Caddy invasion.
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So ten cars confirmed, 3 current DPI teams in the balance, kinda looking less likely, with another three current P2 cars unconfirmed for either P2 or DPI
Performance Tech have been on and off this year so cant see them stepping up, PR1 are pretty heavily PRO-AM so can see them staying in P2. I have no idea on CORE? ESM are on an uphill for a DPI return, maybe they go PRO AM in P2? Maybe the same can be said for Spirit of Daytona. That said, if enough of those maybes dont happen or even go DPI, then the new seperate P2 field is going to be pretty small DPI Confirmed - 10 Entries Action Express - Cadillac DPi-V.R Action Express - Cadillac DPi-V.R Wayne Taylor Racing - Cadillac DPi-V.R JDC-Miller Motorsports - Cadillac DPi-V.R JDC-Miller Motorsports - Cadillac DPi-V.R Juncos Racing - Cadillac DPi-V.R Acura Team Penske - Acura ARX-05 DPI Acura Team Penske - Acura ARX-05 DPI Mazda Team Joest - Mazda RT24-P DPI Mazda Team Joest - Mazda RT24-P DPI Maybe - 3 Entries Extreme Speed Motorsports - Nissan DPI?? Extreme Speed Motorsports - Nissan DPI?? Spirit of Daytona Racing - Cadillac DPi-V.R?? Remaining P2 cars undeclared - Core Autosport - Oreca 07 AFS/PR1 mathiasen Motorsports - Ligier JS P217 Perfomance Tech - Oreca 07 |
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