WEC SCG 007: Glickenhaus Le Mans LMP1 Hypercar

**Bentley03** · 10 Nov 2018, 12:25 (Ref:3862135)

I know there's been reaction over the last few days on 'LMP Future Regs', but as the first to announce a 2020/21 regs 'Hypercar' programme, I think Jim's new baby warrants it's own thread on here!

What we know so far:
https://glickenhausracing.com/scg-00...Ivp4W6qnPc1PJM
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/1...-full-wec.html
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/1...ure-plans.html

Terrific news and a very exciting programme, will be reading (and eventually watching

) with great interest!

Good luck to Jim and all those involved!

S griffin · 10 Nov 2018, 12:32 (Ref:3862139)

Glad to see someone is planning early. Let’s enjoy the next few seasons first though

GT6 · 10 Nov 2018, 13:44 (Ref:3862149)

Agreed lets hope they get all the help they deserve and we see the car in a few years

EffectiveSprinkles · 10 Nov 2018, 14:35 (Ref:3862152)

I'm slightly skeptical, but the buzz has been good so far. I wish Jim all the best in realizing this, it would add a lot to the championship to see him on the grid at Le Mans in 2021.

Juntos · 10 Nov 2018, 16:14 (Ref:3862159)

And to who is Jim buying the hybrid system?

TF110 · 10 Nov 2018, 23:14 (Ref:3862283)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

And to who is Jim buying the hybrid system?

Tbd. If manufacturers have to make theirs available to purchase, it might be a good idea to wait until they announce their programs.

Napolis · 11 Nov 2018, 00:37 (Ref:3862294)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Tbd. If manufacturers have to make theirs available to purchase, it might be a good idea to wait until they announce their programs.

As we understand it, it will be the same system for all.
If not we will make our own as we did for P 4/5 C which we won the FIA Alternative Energies Championship Cup with adapting existing systems.

Full Press release:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wTE...iEavbCyoYBaJ7M

EffectiveSprinkles · 11 Nov 2018, 00:40 (Ref:3862295)

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Originally Posted by Napolis

As we understand it, it will be the same system for all.

Oh dear...

**PascaLM** · 12 Nov 2018, 10:12 (Ref:3862716)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

Oh dear...

The same hybrid system for costs limitation. The ICE architecture will still be free.

Good to see that a manufacturer wants to be seriously involved.

EffectiveSprinkles · 12 Nov 2018, 14:59 (Ref:3862767)

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Originally Posted by PascaLM

The same hybrid system for costs limitation. The ICE architecture will still be free.

This is the first time hearing of that, the press releases so far have spoken quite clearly of bespoke hybrid systems developed by individual manufacturers.

A feeling that Mr Glickenhaus has not actually grasped the proposed regulation package is starting to creep up on me...

Akrapovic · 12 Nov 2018, 15:20 (Ref:3862778)

The manufacturers have the draft regulations. Have those been publically released yet? If not then I'm sure they have a better idea than any of us.

gregc · 12 Nov 2018, 15:20 (Ref:3862779)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

This is the first time hearing of that, the press releases so far have spoken quite clearly of bespoke hybrid systems developed by individual manufacturers.

A feeling that Mr Glickenhaus has not actually grasped the proposed regulation package is starting to creep up on me...

Assuming that Glickenhaus would be regarded as a privateer entry, from DSC's piece here (this information originally came from one of the ACO releases)

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  How is there a difference between the cost for factories and Privateers?
One major difference is that any homologated hybrid drive system used by a factory MUST be made commercially available to a privateer at a fixed cost of 2 Million Euro per season.
What engines are eligible?  
Any engine configuration and architecture is eligible with a power limit of 520kW (c.700 bhp), a limit on the number of engines useable per season will be imposed.

EffectiveSprinkles · 12 Nov 2018, 15:37 (Ref:3862801)

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Originally Posted by gregc

Assuming that Glickenhaus would be regarded as a privateer entry, from DSC's piece here (this information originally came from one of the ACO releases)

Indeed, so unless something has drastically changed in the draft regulations Mr. Glickenhaus would be wise to glance at those documents again...

broadrun96 · 13 Nov 2018, 03:14 (Ref:3862952)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

Indeed, so unless something has drastically changed in the draft regulations Mr. Glickenhaus would be wise to glance at those documents again...

No, think he's read it correctly. He would be a privateer based on the current standard they've said for the LMP1s and he could buy the hybrid from Toyota, or others. Which is exactly what everyone else has said, and the quoted article lists as well, manufacturers HAVE to make the unit available. And there's no way they would call him a manufacturer, although the ACO it's dumb enough to shoot themselves just to be right

TF110 · 13 Nov 2018, 03:29 (Ref:3862954)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

No, think he's read it correctly. He would be a privateer based on the current standard they've said for the LMP1s and he could buy the hybrid from Toyota, or others. Which is exactly what everyone else has said, and the quoted article lists as well, manufacturers HAVE to make the unit available. And there's no way they would call him a manufacturer, although the ACO it's dumb enough to shoot themselves just to be right

Maybe the wording is being read wrong but it sounded like "the same for all" meant a standard hybrid system, ie spec. That's how I read it at first myself.