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Old 2 Jan 2020, 17:50 (Ref:3949529)   #91
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Well as I've said for countless of years, that would have been fixed by re-allowing them into ELMS and ASLMS, thus re-creating opportunity for customer market as well as giving overall win opportunity without resorting to artficial BS as seen in the WEC now. Or do the fans of ELMS still prefer to see that 17 car spec Oreca field with spec engines and spec tires and proam lineups, rather than say 5-10 proper nonhybrid LMP1 cars with every combination of tech possible? I do remember people defending the interests of LMP2, but times have changed
You're conflating two things here and creating a strawman argument for good measure.

There is a good case for having privateer LMP1s in ELMS, I agree.

No-one except the ACO likes the way ELMS has become a spec Oreca event. ACO totally screwed this up, as Akrapovic eloquently described earlier in this thread. No-one, whether "fan" of ELMS or not, has said otherwise.

These are separate issues though. The answer to the Oreca-spec problem is not privateer LMP1s, it's for the ACO to swallow their pride and admit that their LMP2 revamp has been a disaster. That's about as likely to happen as me getting a last-minute call-up to race a Toyota at Le Mans this year.
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Old 3 Jan 2020, 05:45 (Ref:3949605)   #92
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What they could do is allow another joker upgrade. Or give a weight penalty to the Oreca's. But that would be unfair to those that purchased them. Or they may say so. As for keeping lmp1 competitive without screwing up Toyota's interest, that could have been done by allowing new competitors more testing, cut Toyota's tests or more aero kits vs Toyota's two. I think this or something close to it was proposed actually but it never came about, for lmp1 that is. Once Nissan fell apart or the funding was cut for it (imo to prop up Renault F1) it seemed like the beginning of the end. Two seasons later Audi goes, then goes Porsche. Dieselgate no fault of the race teams but what a sad thing to have been done.
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Old 3 Jan 2020, 13:01 (Ref:3949670)   #93
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The $200m figure isn't nonsense. If Toyota are spending $50m a year (which they by all accounts, are), then you're not going to build an LMP1 team from scratch, including all of the investment you'd need to make in racing hybrid technology, and then beat Toyota for an 'easy Le Mans win' on the same $50m budget. You have to go in big if you want the 'easy win'. You have to not only produce a good car quickly, you have to now take on all of the experience and expertise that Toyota have gained over this decade. You don't do that by spending the same money. And whilst you're on a reduced knowledge base compared to your very well honed competitor, doing a reduced schedule is not going to help.

You could absolutely run an LMP1 team on $50m or less. You just won't easily beat Toyota on it. And it's hard selling $50m a year to the board when your pitch is 'We probably won't win'.

The manufacturers were not going to come and fight Toyota on a dead rule set. Change had to happen. The change they've opted for isn't particularly good, but there was no option.
You also have to consider the amount that Audi were spending on their massive hospitality operation at Le Mans. You could have run a GT team for the full season for less than Audi spent on a tent in France for a week.
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Old 3 Jan 2020, 14:28 (Ref:3949681)   #94
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Audi's hospitality was unbelievable. James and I had a tour of their 'hotel' at the Exposition Centre a few years back. Extraordinary.
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Old 3 Jan 2020, 15:03 (Ref:3949689)   #95
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They certainly pushed the boat out but for Audi Le mans was there main publicity so they spent accordingly
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GM directly lobbying for the factory cars with both BOP and entry spots with this??
Although I guess they would have to enter in GTE-Pro, not a problem if it were to be MTEK but with Keating that could be tough. He does seem like he would take on the challenge and have the year experience with the car by the time it could then run Am in 21-22. And yes, it is all MASSIVE speculation at this time but what isn't this time of year?
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GM directly lobbying for the factory cars with both BOP and entry spots with this??
Although I guess they would have to enter in GTE-Pro, not a problem if it were to be MTEK but with Keating that could be tough. He does seem like he would take on the challenge and have the year experience with the car by the time it could then run Am in 21-22. And yes, it is all MASSIVE speculation at this time but what isn't this time of year?
I wonder if they would take the hit on a difficult GTE-Pro season to gain extra data for the factory team (subsidised?) and then be properly ready for the GTE-Am season.
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I wonder if they would take the hit on a difficult GTE-Pro season to gain extra data for the factory team (subsidised?) and then be properly ready for the GTE-Am season.
ONLY reason I think it could happen is Keating does seem like that kind of guy and loves to race. I doubt GM would subsidize any of the effort though, beyond possibly drivers when able. It seems like the GM structure of multiple companies under the GM umbrella broken up by continent so WEC racing would be a tough sell to GM NA. Now with a right drive Corvette in the C8 could we see GM Europe (or is there EU vs British Isles breakdown?) chip in for Silverstone or GM Asia/Middle East kick in for their rounds?

Personally I doubt it and think we won't see a non-factory WEC car outside of the US rounds in 20-21. I think we will see a Keating car in 21-22 as he wants to get back to LeMans and try again. And he does seem to be motivated to race cars from the street, multiple interviews he mentions racing cars he sells. Plus I think he'll put those cars in his dealerships after racing.
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Old 6 Jan 2020, 19:28 (Ref:3950072)   #99
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ONLY reason I think it could happen is Keating does seem like that kind of guy and loves to race. I doubt GM would subsidize any of the effort though, beyond possibly drivers when able. It seems like the GM structure of multiple companies under the GM umbrella broken up by continent so WEC racing would be a tough sell to GM NA. Now with a right drive Corvette in the C8 could we see GM Europe (or is there EU vs British Isles breakdown?) chip in for Silverstone or GM Asia/Middle East kick in for their rounds?

Personally I doubt it and think we won't see a non-factory WEC car outside of the US rounds in 20-21. I think we will see a Keating car in 21-22 as he wants to get back to LeMans and try again. And he does seem to be motivated to race cars from the street, multiple interviews he mentions racing cars he sells. Plus I think he'll put those cars in his dealerships after racing.
I'm thinking along the same lines as you. The only thing that makes me think this is possible is that it's Keating, and he's the only one who managed to get his hands on a Ford GT. If anyone can do it, it's him. Long shot though.

Would be a nice boost to the GTE grid.
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There's an interesting story gathering momentum across the Channel (AUTOhebdo/Ouest France) about Alpine. It is being told in a way which suggests there is no factual basis, more an idea someone has dreamed up, but the 'idea' is that Alpine could take over the Rebellion programme and race in grandfathered LMP1 next season. A case of no smoke without fire, or AUTOhebdo creating themselves a news story...? 😉
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No idea, although the Signatech guys were trying to find a way to get Alpine into the top class. This would be a fairly easy way to do that before taking the plunge with LMDh.
Provided the BoP stacks up.
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Ludicrous 15 minutes of warm-up (meaning that the session is pretty much immediately cancelled once single car runs off) which also now happens earlier, no public scrutineering, and the previously announced nonsense hyperbole sessions still there among other weirdly timed happenings. What a treat, it's like they're trying to find the worst possible timetable they possibly can
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ed-to-circuit/

Edit: sorry this was for the 2019-20 thread, move please

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The 2021 season is expected to have 6 races from March to November.


https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...2021-calendar/
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Old 18 Aug 2020, 19:20 (Ref:3996277)   #104
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So those 6 races will probably be...

Le Mans
Spa
Silverstone
Bahrain
Fuji
Sebring/COTA/Interlagos?

Unless the plague is still with us and the FIA scrap their 3 continents requirement for a world championship and we end up with two ELMS's.
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I think Silverstone will be dropped for China. They've been doing their best to get rid of it anyway.
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