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Old 11 Jan 2017, 23:57 (Ref:3701927)   #76
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Auto action is suggesting that Aust GT will now be on the Supercars program at PI in April

because they were approached by a group of competitors who wanted to appear at a supercars event as it was appropriate for their sponsors
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A good outcome all around
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It is a tricky one, it is easy enough to the see the arguments on all sides, and there is no right answer.

Going it alone will be tough but good reap rewards. Being a "support" category has its own compromises but it is also fairly safe and well known.
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Old 12 Jan 2017, 02:05 (Ref:3701945)   #79
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A combination of all of the events is a good outcome for all the teams, drivers and sponsors - AGT management working with its teams to provide for them. Good business.

The loss of a Queensland race for another Victorian event might not be though - however probably the lesser of 2 evils.
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Old 12 Jan 2017, 02:10 (Ref:3701946)   #80
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A combination of all of the events is a good outcome for all the teams, drivers and sponsors - AGT management working with its teams to provide for them. Good business.

The loss of a Queensland race for another Victorian event might not be though - however probably the lesser of 2 evils.
Lot of Vic events and NZ ones

Will be at PI in April and May Now. 1 event in NSW, none in QLD for the main game
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Quite serious unrest from some teams according to AA's reporting.
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Old 12 Jan 2017, 05:53 (Ref:3701966)   #82
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Yeah very odd. Strange that this is only coming to ahead now considering the schedule was announced in October or November last year from memory?

How many teams are relying so heavily on corporate sponsorships?

You would imagine Walkinshaw and Tekno would be ones pushing this however when speaking to Speedcafe, Jono Webb didnt seem that upset by it all?
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How many teams are relying so heavily on corporate sponsorships?
You'd think a good chunk are MD's of the companies on the side of the car but not all. Plus many of them want their company on TV to justify the spend I guess.

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You would imagine Walkinshaw and Tekno would be ones pushing this however when speaking to Speedcafe, Jono Webb didnt seem that upset by it all?
i am not sure that this isn't conflating the 2 issues being discussed, I think these were the 2 most critical of the sprint race driving standards, but I find that ironic because most of the damage at Highlands was due to WP's driver!
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have only seen this in a brief article on FB, which sumarised a brief article in AA.

Not seeing it anywhere else
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You'd think a good chunk are MD's of the companies on the side of the car but not all. Plus many of them want their company on TV to justify the spend I guess.
Is it to justify the spend (ie build a return on investment) or provide the associated tax write off? Many of these competitors (MDs of companies) were racing the GTs well before they raced some rounds on the V8SC schedule.
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Is it to justify the spend (ie build a return on investment) or provide the associated tax write off? Many of these competitors (MDs of companies) were racing the GTs well before they raced some rounds on the V8SC schedule.
They get the tax write off anyway, that's not an issue, but many of them have businesses big enough that they are not the only stakeholder, and they do need to justify the spend with traditional metrics, which might bias some of them towards the Supercars card.
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Was the GT field happy with being over and done with by 11am on the Saturday at Eastern Creek VASC round?

It's a two edged sword
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Aus GT issues heavily revised 2017 calendar

New calendar. massive backdown/slapdown. Guess it was more than half the teams that were not happy

AA were on the track, but no race at PI

4 rounds will now be on the FTA rounds as well, and all Gt championship rounds will be on fox (unlike this year)

stand alone round has gone

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missed that the enduro round is back on at SMP with the v8s

from none with the v8s as promoter to 4. some massive reality check there. wonder if we will hear more
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From a sporting point of view that is a really disappointing outcome.

It will be interesting to see the event schedules and see if V8SC have come to the party and provided more/better track time.

Sadly for me, its PI for the endurance series event and thats it in 2017.
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From a sporting point of view that is a really disappointing outcome.

It will be interesting to see the event schedules and see if V8SC have come to the party and provided more/better track time.

Sadly for me, its PI for the endurance series event and thats it in 2017.
you can watch it on TV DRT, massive win for you
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I'd prefer to see it in person.

And that aside, some of those events listed today are only broadcast through Foxtel. Online streaming would be more accessible
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And that aside, some of those events listed today are only broadcast through Foxtel. Online streaming would be more accessible
Yet clearly those in the marketing and sponsor ranks of the competitors have had somewhat of a revolt over it.

Streaming isn't really there yet. The service is relying on things out of its control, and most people still have bandwidth caps. "Traditional" marketers are still going to go back to tried and true eyeballs that they understand, and whether or not you like it, Foxtel has eyeballs, and specifically the most well-heeled eyeballs.

I'd imagine being on Foxtel comes at significant cost, because I would presume the category itself has to pay the production costs. Not a decision taken lightly, if the cost is a couple of grand a competitor, which is what I'd think it would be. Mind you compared to tearing up exotic parts, cheap really....
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Yet clearly those in the marketing and sponsor ranks of the competitors have had somewhat of a revolt over it.
Agreed. Allegedly MPC, Teckno and Eggelstones are at the forefront of it whipping up the revolt.

Streaming plays a bigger role in major sporting codes year on year - as shown by WRC, NRL, AFL digital platforms increasing in value & quantity each year.

Not saying it's the equal of live television yet but in a cost vs benefit discussion it's a worthy debate, especially for a fledgling category like AGT.

The Bathurst 12 hour has shown the numbers you can attract domestically & internationally via streaming. Add to that the numbers attracted via SBS speedweek and again it's a worthy debate.

Maybe AGT management should engage an independent marketing / sponsorship consultant to look at the value with both options.

I do wonder how much perceived sponsor value through Foxtel is about some individuals/teams being associated to the v8 scene
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Streaming plays a bigger role in major sporting codes year on year - as shown by WRC, NRL, AFL digital platforms increasing in value & quantity each year.
The social media aspect of streaming is a BIG deal - but I think what holds GT racing back is the age bracket of the average viewer. It is going to be much older than football or cricket, and nowhere near as computer savvy.

THIS is why they want to be on Foxtel.
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Agreed. Allegedly MPC, Teckno and Eggelstones are at the forefront of it whipping up the revolt.

Streaming plays a bigger role in major sporting codes year on year - as shown by WRC, NRL, AFL digital platforms increasing in value & quantity each year.

Not saying it's the equal of live television yet but in a cost vs benefit discussion it's a worthy debate, especially for a fledgling category like AGT.

The Bathurst 12 hour has shown the numbers you can attract domestically & internationally via streaming. Add to that the numbers attracted via SBS speedweek and again it's a worthy debate.

Maybe AGT management should engage an independent marketing / sponsorship consultant to look at the value with both options.

I do wonder how much perceived sponsor value through Foxtel is about some individuals/teams being associated to the v8 scene
NRL and AFL work because of the media content provided by Foxtel/ch9/ch7. thus the streamers can get the same coverage including , often, commentary

from memory the latest number we had for streaming of the bathurst 12 hour showed that just 30,000 people watched.(2015 race) Thats not a lot of people. Not when you have to provide cameras and cameramen to do the streaming. sure you can do it cheap and have only 2 or 3 cameras, but that is far from awesome viewing on long track . It works better in ball sports (with no other coverage) where you can use just one camera and get enough coverage that way (the FFA cup was done this way in the earlier rounds)

But in Gt3 streaming is a long way away from being satisfactory from a sponsorship point of view that many teams are requiring,

One thinks you choose the wrong side when you brought the speedcafe video from a couple of weeks ago, you hammered the guy who asked the hard questions and you let off the guy who gave the politically correct schmaltzy responses.

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But in Gt3 streaming is a long way away from being satisfactory from a sponsorship point of view that many teams are requiring,
I guess this is what I am saying needs to challenged and explored as there doesn't 'appear' to be any evidence as to what's satisfactory. Only opinion by some of the entrants and the management.

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One thinks you choose the wrong side when you brought the speedcafe video from a couple of weeks ago, you hammered the guy who asked the hard questions and you let off the guy who gave the politically correct schmaltzy responses.
My issue was the Hodges didn't ask questions - he pushed his pre conceived idea and clearly had agenda on the issue. Not ideal for a host
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I guess this is what I am saying needs to challenged and explored as there doesn't 'appear' to be any evidence as to what's satisfactory. Only opinion by some of the entrants and the management.



My issue was the Hodges didn't ask questions - he pushed his pre conceived idea and clearly had agenda on the issue. Not ideal for a host
Well thats your opinion of course, but the guys whos opinions count have disagreed with you as shown by them changing things

Actually i think your issue was that Hodge asked questions that pushed your pre concieved ideas and you didnt like it. Thus he was an ideal host because he asked the hard questions but McConville lacked the desire to genuinely answer them. We have the answers now though

Streaming is not the answer if you want to grow the series,
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Everything in here is opinion isn't it peckstar?

For what it's worth - is suggest re watching the speedcafe episode to see Hodges 'performance'
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Everything in here is opinion isn't it peckstar?

For what it's worth - is suggest re watching the speedcafe episode to see Hodges 'performance'
No, there are facts and evidence, however you were complaining about the lack of evidence and "Only opinion by some of the entrants and the management." But those entrants have skin in the game. and the evidence is strong that the more people who get eyes ont he product the better, something streaming doesn't do

I have wayched the video twice, You didn't like that he asked hard questions (or made hard statments as a question) and so are down on him. The key questions that he asked have now been answered but in a way that you dont like (rejoining supercar rounds)
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